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TCP-Group Digest Thu, 22 May 97 Volume 97 : Issue 55
Today's Topics:
Fw: Benefits of AX.25 encap... (4 msgs)
Geographical subnetting
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 08:23:29 -0600
From: "Ron Nelson" <n9cfn@online.dct.com>
Subject: Fw: Benefits of AX.25 encap...
On 20 May 97 at 14:43, Brian Kantor wrote:
| Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 14:43:31 GMT
| From: brian@nothing.UCSD.EDU (Brian Kantor)
| To: n5pvl@texoma.net, terry@perf.no.itg.telstra.com.au
| Subject: Re: Fw: Benefits of AX.25 encap...
| Cc: tcpgroup@ucsd.edu
| Gentlemen,
|
| This debate is not productive.
|
| This mailing list is intended to support the advancement of
| amateur radio networking, with particular emphasis on the TCP/IP
| protocols, not for arguments as to whether that's good or not. We
| think it is. We believe we're right, and we are encouraged by the
| number of people who agree with us.
|
| May I cordially suggest that we radio/computer-weenies would like
| you to take the argument elsewhere.
|
| We will bury you.
|
| Thank you.
| - Brian
|
Even a list lurker like myself are glad you stepped in and buried
this unproductive thread!!
Ron
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:36:57 -0500
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net>
Subject: Fw: Benefits of AX.25 encap...
This is "off topic", but I thought a bit 'o wisdom from a radio nut might
help you guys get off the "telephone tit" and begin to realize a few of
your more ambitious RF networking ideas.
Set up a non-profit organization for the express purpose of gathering and
distributing network resources.
Quit trying to do it all out of your own pocket.
73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
Packet Radio : N5PVL@N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NA
E-Mail : n5pvl@texoma.com
WWW : http://www.texoma.com/~n5pvl
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 11:16:43 -0700 (MST)
From: Bob Nielsen <nielsen@primenet.com>
Subject: Fw: Benefits of AX.25 encap...
Charles' latest message is way too long to quote, but I would like to make
a few points in the interest of getting this group back on track.
One of the biggest features of *NOS is also one of its biggest problems.
By adding pseudo-BBS capabilities, it is trying to compete in the wrong
market, non-tcp/ip operation. This is a great way to get beginners
familiar with some of the advantages of tcp/ip, but in reality a tcp/ip
network consists of linking together a series of tcp/ip hosts.
By connecting via ax.25 to a *NOS station and reading a group of messages
(which are at least sorted into areas, unlike most BBS software, one is
doing BBS-style communications, not tcp/ip.
In tcp/ip, messages are delivered directly to the end user's computer and
a mail agent is used to read/compose. We should be encouraging end users
to be running some form of tcp/ip software, rather than connecting to a
local node. Encouraging the use of a simplified form of NOS (which can
easily be created by not compiling in all the features) or even NOS's
predecessor NET, might be a way to accomplish this. The addressees of a
message would have it delivered directly to their own station, instead of
having to log in somewhere else to read their mail.
An unfortunate side-effect of all the "featurism" is that what once ran
efficiently on a 8086 cpu now requires a Pentium in some cases, although
the Pentiums of today are much less expensive than the XTs of 1985. But
we have probably all seen what happens to throughput when a cpu is
underpowered for the networking demands placed upon it.
Bob
----
Bob Nielsen Internet: nielsen@primenet.com
Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: w6swe@w6swe.ampr.org
AX.25: w6swe@wb7tls.az.usa.noam
http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 13:09:32 -0500
From: Kurt Freiberger <kurt@cs.tamu.edu>
Subject: Fw: Benefits of AX.25 encap...
>
> This is "off topic", but I thought a bit 'o wisdom from a radio nut might
> help you guys get off the "telephone tit" and begin to realize a few of
> your more ambitious RF networking ideas.
>
> Set up a non-profit organization for the express purpose of gathering and
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