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>
>Pet Peeve: Fully qualified domain names without a period "."
>at the end. including "ampr.org" in your entry.
>
>and:
>
>bb.newyork.com add a 44.99.99.99
>
>is the same as:
>
>bb.newyork.com.ampr.org. add a 44.99.99.99
>
Agreeing with what was expressed;
Call me old-fashioned or maybe just plain wrong, but
the domain file is for ampr.org. nes pas?
Anything on the left-hand side is $origin ampr.org.
so...
joe.blow. IN A 10.10.10.4
joe.blow.com IN MX 10 joe.blow.ampr.org.
joe.blow.com. IN MX 20 joe.blow.co.uk.
blow.joe.co.uk IN MX 30 blow.ampr.org.
and the like,, are good examples of how it isn't done
but frequently is.
The file is the primary reference point for many
and yet cannot be totally accurate except perhaps for
an instant. Are there any recent safeguards against
people making a hash of it? no pun intended.
--
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 15:13:00 -0000
From: mikebw@bilow.bilow.uu.ids.net (Mike Bilow)
Subject: auto ip tool
David Mackay wrote in a message to Mike Bilow:
DM> Call me old-fashioned or maybe just plain wrong, but
DM> the domain file is for ampr.org. nes pas?
DM> Anything on the left-hand side is $origin ampr.org. so...
Anything anywhere is $ORIGIN AMPR.ORG, regardless of whether it appears on the
left or the right side. If you want to point to an MX not in AMPR.ORG, then
the right side must use a fully-qualified name ending with an explicit dot.
There is no point to using a domain on the left not in AMPR.ORG, since this
will not work within the AMPR.ORG zone of authority.
-- Mike
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:45:45 GMT
From: brian@nothing.ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor)
Subject: auto ip tool
> Are there any recent safeguards against
people making a hash of it?
Yes. Every time someone finds a new mistake that gets past the filters,
I add more. It's far from foolproof, but it does catch some common mistakes.
- Brian
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 13:32:55 -0800 (PST)
From: "Dana H. Myers" <myers@bigboy.West.Sun.COM>
Subject: auto ip tool
Brian wrote:
> > Are there any recent safeguards against
> people making a hash of it?
>
> Yes. Every time someone finds a new mistake that gets past the filters,
> I add more. It's far from foolproof, but it does catch some common
mistakes.
> - Brian
Which highlights something I think important: when you think you've buggered
the database, tell Brian right away. Don't wait for him to spend time just
figuring out someone buggered it later on, much less fixing it.
Dana K6JQ
Dana.Myers@Sun.Com
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 13:54:10 GMT
From: feu@cajun.demon.co.uk (David Mackay)
Subject: auto ip tool
In article <326c1107@bilow.bilow.uu.ids.net> you wrote:
>Anything anywhere is $ORIGIN AMPR.ORG, regardless of whether it appears
>on the left or the right side. If you want to point to an MX not in
>AMPR.ORG, then the right side must use a fully-qualified name ending with
>an explicit dot. There is no point to using a domain on the left not in
>AMPR.ORG, since this will not work within the AMPR.ORG zone of authority.
I'd have preferred you not to shout at me, quoting the part of my message
that suited your stance.
*I* do not want to use non "AMPR.ORG" addresses in the file, thanks.
--DaVid
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 06:36:18 GMT
From: feu@cajun.demon.co.uk (David Mackay)
Subject: auto ip tool
In article <Roam.SIMC.2.0.4.858202375.7311.myers@bigboy> you wrote:
>Brian wrote:
>
>> > Are there any recent safeguards against
>> people making a hash of it?
>>
>> Yes. Every time someone finds a new mistake that gets past the filters,
>> I add more. It's far from foolproof, but it does catch some common
mistakes.
>> - Brian
>
>Which highlights something I think important: when you think you've buggered
>the database, tell Brian right away. Don't wait for him to spend time just
>figuring out someone buggered it later on, much less fixing it.
>
>Dana K6JQ
>Dana.Myers@Sun.Com
>
This fixing of buggering is what brought my comment (misunderstood by
some respondents) to the surface. It gets bloody tedious taking out the
same old clinkers and variations thereon. I just posted a few examples
is all.
--DaVid
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 21:40:00 -0000
From: mikebw@bilow.bilow.uu.ids.net (Mike Bilow)
Subject: auto ip tool
David Mackay wrote in a message to Mike Bilow:
>Anything anywhere is $ORIGIN AMPR.ORG, regardless of whether it appears
>on the left or the right side. If you want to point to an MX not in
>AMPR.ORG, then the right side must use a fully-qualified name ending with
>an explicit dot. There is no point to using a domain on the left not in
>AMPR.ORG, since this will not work within the AMPR.ORG zone of authority.
DM> I'd have preferred you not to shout at me, quoting the part
DM> of my message that suited your stance.
DM> *I* do not want to use non "AMPR.ORG" addresses in the file,
DM> thanks.
That was not intended as shouting, but all caps in considered proper style in
decribing domains, since they are not case sensitive. See any of the RFCs,
for
example, which always use all caps for domains.
-- Mike
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 97 07:02:46 GMT
From: feu@cajun.demon.co.uk (David Mackay)
Subject: auto ip tool
In article <32874423@bilow.bilow.uu.ids.net> you wrote:
>
>That was not intended as shouting, but all caps in considered proper style in
>decribing domains, since they are not case sensitive. See any of the RFCs,
for
>example, which always use all caps for domains.
>
>-- Mike
I was already aware of the RFC proper style and I didn't misuse the said
proper style, as further reference to my original message will show.
Reference to the master file at ucsd will show that my usage of a
particular term was correct, and also correct in it's context.
--DaVid
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 97 05:27:20 GMT
From: feu@cajun.demon.co.uk (David Mackay)
Subject: auto ip tool
In article <199703141547.PAA23387@nothing.ucsd.edu> you wrote:
>Gentlemen, calm down.
>This issue is not worthy of the attention you are giving it.
> - Brian
>
pax
--DaVid
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