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TCP-Group Digest Tue, 25 Feb 97 Volume 97 : Issue 24
Today's Topics:
Benefits of AMPR IP encapsulation gateways. (12 msgs)
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 07:20:01 -0600
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net>
Subject: Benefits of AMPR IP encapsulation gateways.
>
> If you have anything you think worth mentioning, even a lead to
something,
> I'd be happy to receive it via email.
>
> regards
> Terry
>
You can explain to the ASMA how packet/internet gateways cause grievous
damage to the existing amateur radio network, and destroy the motivation to
build new RF links.
Show then a map of the global amateur radio forwarding network, indicating
the large gaps which have appeared in this network as packet/internet
gateways have come into use.
Finally, Terry, be sure to quote the legal reasoning utilized in countries
which outlaw packet/internet gates altogether, and point out how THEIR part
of the global ham RF net is flourishing and growing, as compared to the
degraded integrity of the long-haul amateur radio digital net where
gateways have been allowed to proliferate.
-- That includes Australia, of course. --
Alert all concerned hams in Australia that this is a time to speak out FOR
amateur radio, and AGAINST amateur telephone. Tell them that THIS is their
opportunity to halt the saturation and replacement of the digital amateur
radio network in Australia with "amateur telephone" systems which do not
even use radio as their primary means of communication.
Finally, ask the ASMA if they are willing to give up the emergency
communications "backup" capability which amateur RADIO provides in times
when phone lines are dead or ( as is more often the case ) simply
overloaded during the course of an emergency or disaster.
I sure will, Terry. Count on it.
73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
Packet Radio : N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
E-Mail : n5pvl@texoma.com
Web : http://www.texoma.com/~n5pvl
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:57:39 -0500
From: "Louis A. Mamakos" <louie@UU.NET>
Subject: Benefits of AMPR IP encapsulation gateways.
> You can explain to the ASMA how packet/internet gateways cause grievous
> damage to the existing amateur radio network, and destroy the motivation to
> build new RF links.
Yes, make it difficult to attact the participation of hams which happen
to have significant expertise in computer network protocols. At least with
some interconnection between the amateur radio "packet network" and the
Internet, you might have the opportunity to take advantage of existing
technology.
There's an incredible amount of "Not Invented Here" syndrome in the amateur
packet networking protocols, uniquely coupled with the bizzare mis-application
of technology is quite remarkable. (The adaptation of point-to-point
LAPB to a multipoint, collision domain RF environment is truly an inspired
April Fool's prank.) It's not that I'm against doing interesting experiments,
but when the stuff escapes from the lab...
> Finally, ask the ASMA if they are willing to give up the emergency
> communications "backup" capability which amateur RADIO provides in times
> when phone lines are dead or ( as is more often the case ) simply
> overloaded during the course of an emergency or disaster.
I dunno, wouldn't it be easier to use cellular phones or trunked radio
systems than have to rely amateur radio operators who think that 1200bps
systems are sorta cool?
Yup, keep banging the rocks together, and the part 15 hardware will come along
and further draw away more experimenters for the the amateur ranks. With
the explosion of the popularity of the Internet, it would seem wise to
somehow leverage it to advantage, rather than shun it.
Louis Mamakos
wa3ymh
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:46:25 -0600
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net>
Subject: Benefits of AMPR IP encapsulation gateways.
>
> > You can explain to the ASMA how packet/internet gateways cause grievous
> > damage to the existing amateur radio network, and destroy the
motivation to
> > build new RF links.
>
> Yes, make it difficult to attact the participation of hams which happen
> to have significant expertise in computer network protocols. At least
with
> some interconnection between the amateur radio "packet network" and the
> Internet, you might have the opportunity to take advantage of existing
> technology.
>
We already have entirely too many "hams" who are more impressed with
LandLine networking than Radio networking.. That's why "gateways" exist.
Show us "advanced networking" which actually uses RADIOS, and as hams we'll
be impressed. Gateways are not "advanced nertworking", by any stretch of
the imagination.
Using the telephone to avoid the challenge of amateur radio is not
"advanced networking". Actually, it's old, old telephone networking.
(yawn)
We don't need more computer weenies who are too brain-dead to get the
essential point of amateur radio. ( Using RADIOS, in case you TOO have a
problem catching on. )
> There's an incredible amount of "Not Invented Here" syndrome in the
amateur
> packet networking protocols, uniquely coupled with the bizzare
mis-application
> of technology is quite remarkable. (The adaptation of point-to-point
> LAPB to a multipoint, collision domain RF environment is truly an
inspired
> April Fool's prank.) It's not that I'm against doing interesting
experiments,
> but when the stuff escapes from the lab...
>
Semantic content of the above: Null.
> > Finally, ask the ASMA if they are willing to give up the emergency
> > communications "backup" capability which amateur RADIO provides in
times
> > when phone lines are dead or ( as is more often the case ) simply
> > overloaded during the course of an emergency or disaster.
>
> I dunno, wouldn't it be easier to use cellular phones or trunked radio
> systems than have to rely amateur radio operators who think that 1200bps
> systems are sorta cool?
>
Talk is cheap. I've heard lots of similar "talk" over the years. The one
common theme is that none of these "talkers" have gone on to accomplish any
of these pipe-dreams they love to spout off about. They (and you) love to
run down what others have ACCOMPLISHED, while accomplishing nothing
themselves. This type of ignorance is typical of many computer weenies and
hackers. They have big mouths, and no balls. We ( as amateur radio
operators ) have no further need for them, if a need for them ever actually
did exist..
I'm no fan of 1.2kb, but will state that a 1.2kb AMATEUR RADIO network is
much more useful to HAMS than a telephone link at any speed.
> Yup, keep banging the rocks together, and the part 15 hardware will come
To be continued in digest: tcp_97_24B
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