| |
PA2AGA > TCPDIG 21.06.96 11:21l 229 Lines 7857 Bytes #-10976 (0) @ EU
BID : TCP_96_129C
Read: DG7DAH GUEST
Subj: TCP-Group Digest 96/129C
Path: DB0AAB<DB0SL<DB0RGB<DB0ABH<DB0SRS<DB0SIF<DB0NHM<DB0SHG<DB0OBK<DB0ACC<
PI8DRS<PI8DAZ<PI8APD<PI8GCB<PI8MBQ<PI8VNW
Sent: 960621/0109Z @:PI8VNW.#ZH2.NLD.EU #:18464 [Hoek v Holland] FBB5.15c
From: PA2AGA@PI8VNW.#ZH2.NLD.EU
To : TCPDIG@EU
Received: from pa2aga by pi1hvh with SMTP
id AA11968 ; Fri, 21 Jun 96 00:34:29 UTC
Received: from pa2aga-10 by pa2aga (NET/Mac 2.3.60/7.1) with SMTP
id AA00009061 ; Fri, 21 Jun 96 00:57:53 MET
Received: from pa2aga-10 by pa2aga-10 (NET/Mac 2.3.60/7.1) with SMTP
id AA00005101 ; Fri, 21 Jun 96 00:48:50 MET
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 09:51:34 MET
Message-Id: <tcp_96_129C>
From: pa2aga
To: tcp_broadcast@pa2aga-10
Subject: TCP-Group Digest 96/129C
X-BBS-Msg-Type: B
5c.
> The credit card expiration date should be listed in item 5d. Your
> signature and date should appear in item 5e.
>
> Section 6 - Account Payment Information
>
> THIS SECTION IS FOR USE BY INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS ONLY. Complete
> item 6 only if you intend to pay on account. To pay on account,
> you must first complete the Account Application Form available at
> ftp://rs.internic.net/templates/account-template.txt and submit it with
> your initial payment. After your Application Form and payment have been
> received, you will be assigned a 5-digit Account Number. You may then
> charge your registration fees against your account by writing your
account
> number is item 6.
>
--
Brad Killebrew N5LJV Brad@UH.EDU "I wish to die peacefully in my
Network Administrator, Village Online sleep like my grandfather, not
Student of Computer Engineering Technology in terror like his passengers."
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 15:47:28 -0600 (MDT)
From: Caffeine Addict <tim@NMSU.Edu>
Subject: NIC billing for AMPR.ORG
Sheesh. $50 a year?? My ISP costs more than that!
Even I can pay that - who do I write the check out to?
Tim, AA5DF
*************************************************************************
Klipsch Dept. Electrical Engineering * Tim@NMSU.Edu
New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM * AA5DF@AA5DF.ampr.org
Graduate Student, Digital Communications & DSP * Office: (505) 646-1908
*************************************************************************
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 09:31:04 +0000
From: "Tony Farrow" <tony@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au>
Subject: NIC billing for AMPR.ORG
Hi all,
I can see a broader issue here. It could open the gate for future
significant charges for this and other services, hithertoo provided
free, for support of the various aspects of the ampr.org domain and
its use.
I would support the idea of asking nicely for special consideration,
using the same arguments that we use to justify the amateur RF bands.
(experimentation, public service, safety etc.)
Cheers,
Tony vk2tjf (Macquarie University Gateway, Sydney, 44.136.10.1)
> The Internic is attempting to bill me $50 for renewal of the AMPR.ORG
domain.
>
> I *PERSONALLY* refuse to accept the charge. From my point of view,
> they just decided to bill me because no one else's name was handy.
>
> And I don't want to handle money for this; I get enough abuse from hams
> without accusations of malfeasance and diversion of funds that are
> inevitable in such cases.
>
> The bill appears below.
>
> So, what to do? I'd appreciate suggestions. Some things (that are
> or are not practical) occur to me:
>
> + we could try to appeal to the Internic that AMPR.ORG is a special case
> and we should get it for free, much as hams get allowances worldwide.
> They might even make it a corporate donation.
>
> + we could refuse to pay and try to get a legal injunction against them
> deleting the domain name based on some aspect of contract law maybe
>
> + we could find someone who is willing to handle the collection of
> donations and pay them
>
> + we could each send one penny (or whatever the smallest coin of our
> respective country is) individually to the Internic in payment
>
> + we could attempt to obtain a new domain name that isn't under the
> aegis of the internic - in some other country, or maybe an international
> domain, or the like
>
> Suggestions? Volunteers?
> ... Brian Kantor
Dr Tony (AJ) Farrow
* Physics Department,
School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing & Electronics,
MACQUARIE UNIVERSITY,
Sydney, NSW 2109, Australia.
* Email: tony@mpce.mq.edu.au
* Tel: 61-2-850-8900
* Fax: 61-2-850-8115
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:50:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: "James R. Hay" <jrhay@HayA.QC.CA>
Subject: NIC billing for AMPR.ORG
Obviously the invoice which Brian received was generated automatically.
I was under the (probably wrong) impression that domains previously
registered were not subject to the registration fees.
Since the form is computer generated the folks at internic are either the
sort that won't stray from whatever the computer says/does and thus
re-define the term inflexible (somewhat like the domain registration
people here in Canada), or they might be amenable to an exception when
the nature of the domain is explained to them.
Perhaps it is worth approaching them to see if anything can be worked
out.
As an alternative, what would it take to get some form of top-level
domain which isn't subject to interNIC's fees?
That's my two cents (Canadian funds) for now.
Jim, VE2VE
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 21:15:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: Gerald J Creager <gerry@cs.tamu.edu>
Subject: NIC billing for AMPR.ORG
A couple of folks, now, have taken note of Brian's post. Seems, I saw the
original some time ago. Looks like y'all are a little behind on reading your
mail.
I seriously doubt that Brian was asking for donations or seeking monetary
support. What he WAS pointing out was that he's ben doing this for wuite a
while, and had the foresight to register AMPRNet as a Class A.
So, gentlefolk, kwicherbichen and settle back down. Brian knows a good deal
more about networking than a large number of the lurkers... or posters...
here.
gerry
n5jxs@tamu.edu
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:14:56 +1000
From: Terry Dawson <terry@perf.no.itg.telecom.com.au>
Subject: NIC billing for AMPR.ORG
Brian Kantor wrote:
> + we could try to appeal to the Internic that AMPR.ORG is a special case
> and we should get it for free, much as hams get allowances worldwide.
> They might even make it a corporate donation.
>
> + we could refuse to pay and try to get a legal injunction against them
> deleting the domain name based on some aspect of contract law maybe
>
> + we could find someone who is willing to handle the collection of
> donations and pay them
>
> + we could each send one penny (or whatever the smallest coin of our
> respective country is) individually to the Internic in payment
>
> + we could attempt to obtain a new domain name that isn't under the
> aegis of the internic - in some other country, or maybe an international
> domain, or the like
>
> Suggestions? Volunteers?
Suggestions 2 and 4 would be fun, but not worth the hassle.
Suggestion 1 would give us all a warm-fuzzy if it were successful.
Suggestion 5 would be pretty cool, an international domain would be fitting.
Suggestion 3 would need to be repeated each billing period.
Perhaps trying 1 and 5 in parallel would be worth a shot and in the event
that both look successful someone (you Brian?) make an arbitrary decision
as to which to proceed with.
Anyone with sufficient contacts/expertise willing to volunteer to
follow them up ?
Terry
------------------------------
End of TCP-Group Digest V96 #129
******************************
You can send your message for this bulletin
to: tcp-group@pa2aga on .AMPR.ORG-net
or: tcpaga@pi8vnw.#zh2.nld.eu on BBS-net
------
NOT TO: pa2aga@pa2aga or pa2aga@pi8vnw.#zh2.nld.eu PLEASE!!
It will get posted automatically within a few days
Read previous mail | Read next mail
| |
