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TAPR APRS Special Interest Group Digest for Tuesday, August 19, 2003.
1. RE: [amsat-bb] NTBP #10 Announcement
2. RE: more dead d700a/kenwood service
3. Big brother in everyday life, and it's us!
4. RE: Big brother in everyday life, and it's us!
5. Breaking the barrier- Big brother in everyday life, and it's us!
6. Re: Big brother in everyday life, and it's us!
7. Re: Big brother in everyday life, and it's us!
8. Re: Big brother in everyday life, and it's us!
9. Re: Big brother in everyday life, and it's us!
10. RE: Big brother in everyday life, and it's us!
11. Re: Big brother in everyday life, and it's us!
12. Re: Big brother in everyday life, and it's us!
13. PCsat still ticking...
14. Re: Big brother in everyday life, and it's us!
15. UTC Clock
16. Re: Big brother in everyday life, and it's us!
17. Re: Big brother in everyday life, and it's us!
18. Re: Big brother in everyday life, and it's us!
19. RE: Big brother in everyday life, and it's us!
20. Re: Big brother in everyday life, and it's us!
21. RE: Big brother in everyday life, and it's us!
22. Re: APRSfl.net - fourth.aprs.net - status update...
23. Interface Idea for old KPC-3's
24. Re: Interface Idea for old KPC-3's
25. Black Box retrieval tool (Was: Big Brother)
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Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] NTBP #10 Announcement
From: JD Erskine <VA7OTC@rac.ca>
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:21:07 -0700
X-Message-Number: 1
At 18:55 18/08/03 -0700, Ray McKnight wrote:
schnip
>Our wonderful government still funds the National Helium Reserve,
>supposedly in case we have the need for a massive blimp assault on some
>unsuspecting adversary... (I guess it would be a fair match against
>Canada's one WW2 vintage diesel submarine)
schnip
:{D
Actually our three "O" boats have been retired so for some time our best
subs were what you would find in the West Edmonton Mall. Check them out!
http://www.westedmontonmall.com/entertainment/deepsea.shtml
However we now have four old/new Upholder/Victoria class diesel subs.
Lookout skimmer!
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/ssk_victoria/
http://www.marine.mdn.ca/mspa_fleet/vic_overview_e.asp
http://www.marine.mdn.ca/mspa_news/news_e.asp?x=1&id=32
Guess there won't be an APRS symbol for subs any time soon ;{D
73, JD
John D. Erskine
mailto:VA7OTC@rac.ca or mailto:sailargh@victoria.tc.ca
Victoria Nautical Song Circle http://victoria.tc.ca/Culture/Vnsc/
Island Thyme Morris http://www.islandnet.com/~jcarver/is_thyme.html
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Subject: RE: more dead d700a/kenwood service
From: "Bob D." <n2iph@comcast.net>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 07:02:53 -0400
X-Message-Number: 2
Wow, this is the first I have heard of this. I bought a V-7A when they
first came out, and lately I have been wondering why I have such a hard
time seeing the display. I have been thinking it is the way I have it
mounted in the truck, but may that is not the case.
Was there a service bulletin on this, know the number if there was?
Bob, N2IPH
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Subject: Big brother in everyday life, and it's us!
From: "Mike Yetsko" <myetsko@insydesw.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:09:33 -0400
X-Message-Number: 3
Since most of us here are 'technoids'...
I know this has 'sorta' been discussed before. Especially with regard to
vehicle parameters. Sometimes in how it might tie into APRS.
And we always seem to come back to the 'naw, it would never get like
that...
What kind of info that we think is innocent, like APRS, could be used
against us? Just in case?
About two years ago, one of the people on this forum had his vehicle
stolen. APRS found his vehicle and nailed some pretty nasty people.
Good job! Good use of APRS!
On the other hand, about 3 years ago there was someone here on this group
going through a nasty divorce. I know that the individual had 'phony
tracks' made up that were piped to the internet 'as if' they were coming
from his car to show he was somewhere else than where he really was. (Hmm,
would it even be illegal to send out false position packets?) By the way,
this came about after a member of one club was contacted by an attorney
(with ties to the guys wifes attorney) to ask how to follow someone who had
APRS on the internet, like with FindU. That club member told the party in
question...)
Anyway, how far can it go?
At one point the fact that vehicles now have GPS and phone and alarms and
whatever. The attitude was always "It wouldn't hurt me" or "It's there to
HELP me" kind of thing.
By now you may have heard about the rep in South Dakota that had an
accident with his Cadilac and killed a biker. The rep 'allegedly' or
'apparantly' ran a stop sign. However, there's more. If there is alcohol
involvement, then it can be considered vehicular homicide. Without
alcohol, then, according to a CNN post:
"Second-degree manslaughter is a possible charge if the evidence suggests
death was caused by recklessness. Second-degree manslaughter is punishable
by up to 10 years in prison and a $10,000 fine."
Ok, so what? Well, consider the following quote from the CNN web page on
the story at
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Central/08/19/janklow.accident.ap/index.html
"Talbot said Janklow's 1995 Cadillac has a black box, which records
information such as how fast the car was going and whether the brakes were
applied."
The box is now reportedly in the possession of law enforcement.
So...
Should we consider WHAT kind of data about ourselves we make available? And
what we me being doing to nail our own coffin shut if we make a mistake?
Then again, I'm SURE none of us ever speed. Or possibly miss a traffic
signal. Or ....
Can you imagine the news stories if someone was involved in a 'high profile
incident' and APRS data indicated he made a mistake just before the
accident where someone was seriously injured or died?
Mike
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Subject: RE: Big brother in everyday life, and it's us!
From: "Cap Pennell" <cap@cruzio.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:45:31 -0700
X-Message-Number: 4
The use of vehicle location systems (like APRS) in police and fire vehicles,
while seeming to be a good thing, has met fierce resistance from the
operators of those vehicles. Police and firefighters apparently don't like
being under _that_ microscope, especially when they are "out-of-position" at
places like the donut shop or the liquor store. A fire captain once told
me. "Sure, you can put one of those trackers in my truck, as long as it's
got a fuse."
73, Cap KE6AFE
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Subject: Breaking the barrier- Big brother in everyday life, and it's us!
From: "Sadowski, Allan" <allan.sadowski@ncshp.org>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:56:30 -0400
X-Message-Number: 5
In implementing three AVL systems..... I've learned that this is the
attitude... UNTIL I propose letting everyone see everyone... that way
everybody can see everybody (the subordinate can see the supervisor...
as well as vice-versa)... then things start to get a warmer reception...
when I then focus on Safety (how do people know exactly where you are...
so you can be backed up and assisted) and the resistence crumbles...
The price of doing it that way (everyone can see everyone) is a computer
in each vehicle with the display software... and also a radio network
that can accomodate "broadcast" data messages... instead of one message
for each vehicle...
It's human nature... to resent "big brother watching"... but when
everyone can watch everyone... then it's no longer big brother...
ALOHA
AH6LS
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Subject: Re: Big brother in everyday life, and it's us!
From: Michael Harpe <mharpe79@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:00:50 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 6
I have to admit that my first thought is that anyone who is doing something
they should not be doing, legal or otherwise, with a GPS and an APRS
station running in the car kind of deserves what they get.
Mike Harpe, N4PLE
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Subject: Re: Big brother in everyday life, and it's us!
From: Steve Dimse <k4hg@tapr.org>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:05:09 -0400
X-Message-Number: 7
On 8/19/03 at 4:09 PM Mike Yetsko <myetsko@insydesw.com> sent:
>Can you imagine the news stories if someone was involved in a 'high
>profile incident' and APRS data indicated he made a mistake just
>before the accident where someone was seriously injured or died?
I think it would do wonders for amateur radio and findU. People have little
sympathy for lawbreakers, nor should they. The black box is great...if that
guy was speeding through the intersection and killed the motorcyclist, he
deserves to go to prison!
Yes, there is always a vocal minority that decries any advance in
technology that impacts privacy, but look at the net advantages these
innovations have given us. Yes, government and business has never known
more about us, but we have never been healthier or safer. Both trends are
sure to continue, because I am convinced there is a link between them.
Imagine this unattainable world: The exact position of every person is
archived every second, in a system that is unspoofable and unhackable.
There would no long be any question of who committed a crime...we'd know
for sure if O.J. did it, and who committed every other crime. Yes, it means
giving up more of your anonimity, but I'd gladly do that in exchange for
the tremendous drop in crime that would ensue.
I live my life in a very open way, I do not do anything I am ashamed of.
I'm not virtuous by any means, just that I take responsibility for what I
do. People like to argue these issues from a virtuous, detached, academic
position on privacy, but if you get right down to the roots, it is because
people do, or imagine themselves doing, something they wouldn't want public
knowledge. Some will argue the black box has intruded into the
Representative's privacy, but really, what they are saying, is "I don't
want a black box that will prove I was speeding".
I say, if you don't want people to known you are speeding through stop
signs, the solution is don't speed through stop signs!
Steve K4HG
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