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TAPR APRS Special Interest Group Digest for Saturday, August 02, 2003.
1. Unproto paths second mailing txt added
2. inf2geo please
3. Re: inf2geo please
4. Re: Unproto paths (basestations)
5. Re: inf2geo please
6. Map legal question
7. Re: Map legal question
8. Telemetry
9. Re: inf2geo please
10. Re: inf2geo please
11. HF APRS SIG
12. Lat, lon, format confusion
13. aprsd - igate
14. Last chance for DCC Conference Papers.
15. GARMIN GPS72 for APRS
16. HamHud website?
17. Re: HamHud website?
18. Re: HamHud website?
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Subject: Unproto paths second mailing txt added
From: James Smith <k9apr@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 00:18:55 -0500
X-Message-Number: 1
Hi All,
This message is for those that live in the general area of Indiana,
East Central Illinois, Southern Michigan, West Virginia, Kentucky, Ohio,
Central and Western Tennessee. Over the years our network has grown to
accommodate allot of stations in this vast area of the country.( Some
300+ nightly ) This area is also covered by 3 different groups Kentucky
APRS Group, Nashville APRS Network, and the Tri-State APRS Working Group
( which needs a new name since we serve outside Indiana, Ohio, &
Kentucky area. ) And their isn't a Power struggle between us for more
area or users of APRS. But we're working together to help the user of
APRS to reduce their unproto's in this area. Which really needs to take
affect soon, the following recommendation have been suggested by myself,
NashvilleAPRS, and a few others. Which will be posted below.
UIDIGI software should be limited to Wide3-3 all Wide7-7 or Trace7-7
reference should be stripped completely.
Mobile User's
Please use the unproto of Relay,Wide2-2 all of this area discussed is
Widen / Tracen complaint.
Home User's
Please use the following Wide2-2 or Wide3-3 if your able to get into a
digipeater direct. If not than use Relay,Wide2-2 or Relay,Wide3-3. This
unproto is more than enough to communicate through the vast network. Or
you can use a call,digi2-2. (Example K9APR-3,Wide2-2) this will also work.
Only reason they're is a Relay because not all home station can hit a
"WIDE Digi" Direct. And you have to rely on your neighbor to get to the
digi. Remember not all home station tncs are set to Relay alias. Only
certain programs set the tnc alias. (APRSDos & APRS+SA) are you have to
manually set it yourself. I might have left out a program or so. I no
WinAPRS, APRSPoint & PocketAPRS doesn't unless you do it.
Digi Operator's
Unproto should be set to Wide2-2 or Wide3-3 any higher than this is a
waste of bandwidth...
To contact groups I discussed goto the links below.
http://kaprs.tripod.com Kentucky APRS
http://www.nashvilleaprs.net NashvilleAPRS
http://www.tawg.org Tri-State APRS Working Group (New Look As Of 8/1/03)
Heard some bud listing is going on, I wouldn't do this at first educate
the user of the certain program their using. If you don't know the enter
workings of said program use the sig. Lots of experience here.
If you have any comments or questions, please don't hesitate to ask.
Please pass this message to other's that may not be on the list in this
area. I appreciate all those that have made the change. Thanks!!!
--
73, James, K9APR
Chairman \ Coordinator
Tri-State APRS Working Group
http://www.tawg.org
mailto:k9apr@tawg.org
Run a APRS Website? Why not join the APRS Webring. http://www.tawg.org/join.htm
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Subject: inf2geo please
From: "Andrew VK4TEC" <vk4tec@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 16:25:27 +1000
X-Message-Number: 2
Could someone run a inf2geo across this for me please.
I don't have perl at home
inf file
152.40.07E, 27.17.94S
153.20.70E, 27.42.36s
00000
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Subject: Re: inf2geo please
From: "Curt Mills, WE7U" <archer@eskimo.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:54:50 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 3
On Sat, 2 Aug 2003, Andrew VK4TEC wrote:
>Could someone run a inf2geo across this for me please.
>I don't have perl at home
>
>inf file
>
>152.40.07E, 27.17.94S
>153.20.70E, 27.42.36s
>00000
Copied a GIF file to andrew.gif, created andrew.inf to run against.
You'll need to substitute your own parameters for the filename and
size. You can run "identify -ping filename" to come up with the
size of the image:
--------------------------------------------------------
FILENAME andrew.gif
TIEPOINT 0 0 152.667833333333 -27.299
TIEPOINT 599 196 153.345 -27.706
IMAGESIZE 600 197
#600x197
#
# Converted from a .INF file by WE7U's inf2geo.pl script
#
--------------------------------------------------------
Curt, WE7U. archer@eskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~archer
Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math. - unknown
Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates. - WE7U.
The world DOES revolve around me: I picked the coordinate system!"
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Subject: Re: Unproto paths (basestations)
From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 07:35:34 -0400 (EDT)
X-Message-Number: 4
Excellent post!
Only thing I would consider is to recommend for the home stations to
use CALL,WIDE2-2 or WIDE,WIDE2-2 so that the advantage of NOID is fully
realized. These packets will arrive everywhere containing the call of the
first digi. This allows for beter network management. Here is how I would
phrase a "rule" for home stations:
1) If you are obviously (to all viewers) near one digi then use WIDE3-3
2) If you are distant but only use one digi use DIGICALL,WIDE2-2
3) If you are clearly between 2 digis going opposite directions use
WIDE,WIDE2-2
4) If all else fails, you may use RELAY,WIDE2-2. But then replace the
RELAY with the actual call of the station once you figure it out.
These rules make it possible so that anyone can see your packet or look at
the map and ALWAYS know how you are getting into the "NOID" network.
Just my $2 worth... Bob, WB4APR
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Subject: Re: inf2geo please
From: "Andrew VK4TEC" <vk4tec@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:51:01 +1000
X-Message-Number: 5
Thanks Curt !
This saved me hours of manually lining up images.
groovy
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Subject: Map legal question
From: "Andrew VK4TEC" <vk4tec@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:57:10 +1000
X-Message-Number: 6
I have paid for electronic maps.
Should I therefore be able to use them on my web pages ?
What are the legals ?
Andrew vk4tec
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Subject: Re: Map legal question
From: "Steve Dimse" <k4hg@tapr.org>
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 09:12:49 -0400
X-Message-Number: 7
On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:57:10 +1000, Andrew VK4TEC wrote
>I have paid for electronic maps.
>
>Should I therefore be able to use them on my web pages ?
>
>What are the legals ?
Completely depends on the license terms of the specific product. When
something is copyrighted, you have no rights unless they are specifically
given to you, these are spelled out in the license terms that came with the
product. You paid for a license to the CD, you did not buy the data. No
commercial product I am aware of provides an unlimited license, there are
always terms. Most commonly, you can use them for your own private use, but
cannot share them with anyone else, or modify and retransmit them. To know
what is allowed, you must read the license...
This is not different than what happens when you buy a music CD. You do not
have unlimited rights to that...you cannot sample it and use it in your own
recordings, you cannot post an MP3 on the internet, and so on.
Steve K4HG
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Subject: Telemetry
From: "kevinl" <kevinl@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 09:56:14 -0400
X-Message-Number: 8
I'm new to the sig so please pardon me if I'mm asking redundant questions,
1) Is there still any source for MIM Modules?
2) Does anyone have an init file for correctly using a KPC3 +, Ver 8.2, as a
telemetry beacon?
Thanks in advance,
Kevin, K3RYL
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Subject: Re: inf2geo please
From: wes@johnston.net
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 10:43:06 -0400 (EDT)
X-Message-Number: 9
Andrew, why don't you just do it by hand with a pocket calculator?
deg minutes seconds
152 + (40/60) + ( 7/3600) =
27 + (17/60) + (94/3600) =
It goes pretty quick when you use the memory function in the calculator.
Wes
On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:51:01 +1000, "Andrew VK4TEC" wrote:
>>152.40.07E, 27.17.94S
>>153.20.70E, 27.42.36s
>>00000
ham callsign: kd4rdb
find me: http://wesvan.zapto.org
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