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TAPR APRS Special Interest Group Digest for Saturday, July 05, 2003.
1. RE: compressed packets
2. Can the Tiny Track II act as a digi?
3. PropNET Pioneer & APRS Afficianado becomes...
4. RE: Can the Tiny Track II act as a digi?
5. Oops...that's Earl, KD5XB :))
6. Re: Deluo USB GPS $89.50 (with streetfinder)
7. DR in WinAPRS?
8. RE: LG VX4400 Cell Phone
9. PCsat Users
10. Digis around Disney World
11. RE: LG VX4400 Cell Phone
12. RE: LG VX4400 Cell Phone
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Subject: RE: compressed packets
From: "AE5PL Lists" <HamLists@ametx.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:02:16 -0500
X-Message-Number: 1
qAS in this case means that the IGate is probably a station connected to
WA6OFT-15. qAS means that a q-enabled server first saw the packet from
WA6OFT-15 which is not q-enabled. It also means that the IGate is not
indicating that it is an IGate via the qAR or I constructs.
73,
Pete Loveall AE5PL
pete@ae5pl.net
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Subject: Can the Tiny Track II act as a digi?
From: Robert W Burton <kd4ydc@juno.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 10:11:55 -0400
X-Message-Number: 2
Good Morning,
I am leaving very early in the morning for Disney World with my family
and will be running -9 with a borrowed Tiny Track II built into a Trip
Mate. Once we get down into Disney I will be running -7 from the room.
I have not used this unit nor a Tiny Track before....so I have a few
questions for the group;
1) Can the Tiny Track II digi another station off of it?
The last time we were in All-Star Music I can remember not being able to
get anything out of the room into the APRS network.
2) If the answer to #1 is "yes", then would parms. have to be changed to
go from "Track" mode to "Digi" mode?
3) I know there is a program to change the settings, where can I get that
software?
Unfortunately I didn't think about all this until this morning when
everything is already set in the Tiny Track and with packing the van for
6 people (and radio equipment ;-), I really won't much time to
"experiment" with it.
Please email me direct because I get the sig in digest mode...and again
time is a factor today :-)
Thanks and 73,
Robert
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Subject: PropNET Pioneer & APRS Afficianado becomes...
From: "Ev Tupis (W2EV)" <w2ev@arrl.net>
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 10:26:38 -0400
X-Message-Number: 3
Celebrity for a day!
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/
How cool is THIS!?!
Ev Tupis, W2EV
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Subject: RE: Can the Tiny Track II act as a digi?
From: "Ramon F. Kolb" <ramon@ieee.org>
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 10:28:33 -0400
X-Message-Number: 4
See embedded answers...
--Ramon KX1T
http://kx1t.webhop.org
-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-aprssig-24121@lists.tapr.org
[mailto:bounce-aprssig-24121@lists.tapr.org] On Behalf Of Robert W
Burton
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 10:12 AM
To: TAPR APRS Special Interest Group
Subject: [aprssig] Can the Tiny Track II act as a digi?
Good Morning,
I am leaving very early in the morning for Disney World with my family
and will be running -9 with a borrowed Tiny Track II built into a Trip
Mate. Once we get down into Disney I will be running -7 from the room.
I have not used this unit nor a Tiny Track before....so I have a few
questions for the group;
1) Can the Tiny Track II digi another station off of it?
The last time we were in All-Star Music I can remember not being able to
get anything out of the room into the APRS network.
>>No. The TT2 is a Transmit Only tracker. It does contain an "audio in"
port, but that's exclusively to see that you're not transmitting when
the channel is in use.
2) If the answer to #1 is "yes", then would parms. have to be changed to
go from "Track" mode to "Digi" mode?
>>See 1)
3) I know there is a program to change the settings, where can I get
that
software?
>>see http://www.byonics.com, or more precisely
http://www.byonics.com/tinytrak/tinytrakii.zip
Unfortunately I didn't think about all this until this morning when
everything is already set in the Tiny Track and with packing the van for
6 people (and radio equipment ;-), I really won't much time to
"experiment" with it.
Please email me direct because I get the sig in digest mode...and again
time is a factor today :-)
Thanks and 73,
Robert
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Subject: Oops...that's Earl, KD5XB :))
From: "Ev Tupis (W2EV)" <w2ev@arrl.net>
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 10:27:54 -0400
X-Message-Number: 5
Sorry about that...I was so excited to see it I forgot to tell you who it
was.
Ev, W2EV
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Subject: DR in WinAPRS?
From: Earl Needham <needhame@yucca.net>
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 11:53:46 -0600
X-Message-Number: 7
Is the Dead Reckoning feature working now in WinAPRS? I can't seem to
"turn it on".
Thanks,
Earl
Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk
KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1%:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1
-EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630>
SETI@Home: 10762WU/7yrs!
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Subject: RE: LG VX4400 Cell Phone
From: "Scott Miller" <scott@home.miller.org>
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 11:32:04 -0700
X-Message-Number: 8
I've got a T720c which also does BREW and I did a little research on this a
while back. BREW's a proprietary thing, and to actually get the development
kit, write a program, and get it signed to allow distribution, you're
looking at an investment of thousands of dollars. The same phone, if you
get it from AT&T rather than Verizon, does J2ME and you can write your own
apps and download them off the web for free. AT&T's coverage sucks where I
work, though, so I'm stuck with Verizon.
As for GPS, is it really GPS, or aGPS? aGPS (Assisted GPS) doesn't actually
give you a full GPS receiver in the phone - it offloads processing to the
cell network. It's actually a pretty clever scheme, but it means your phone
doesn't actually know where it is. You're at the mercy of the network
provider for dissemination of your location data.
Excellent intro to aGPS at
http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~postPC/PostPC01/Geolocation_assistedGPS.pdf, and a
review of BREW vs. J2ME at http://news.com.com/2100-1033-931583.html.
Scott
N1VG
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Subject: PCsat Users
From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 15:37:07 -0400 (EDT)
X-Message-Number: 9
If you have a permanent station on PCsat, please change your VIA path to
VIA PCSAT-1. This way, PCsat will not digipeat you unless a command
station has been successful in getting her into power-conservation mode.
We want to nurse her to health for the next full sun period coming up on
17 July. Thanks
We do try to set her properly on most passes. Using this PCSAT-1 path
will assure that your packets are not doing any damage, yet will get
through if the power budget can support it.
de WB4APR@amsat.org, Bob
PCsat WEB page http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/pcsat.html
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Subject: Digis around Disney World
From: Robert W Burton <kd4ydc@juno.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 17:41:51 -0400
X-Message-Number: 10
I am leaving for Disney World tomorrow (yeah), anyone know what digis
might reach into the All-Star Resort area? I might have to setup my own
little "digi" from the van to get stuff in and out of the network, but it
would have to be able to be gotten into by an "ht" since I will be
running a gel cell.
txns,
Robert
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Subject: RE: LG VX4400 Cell Phone
From: "Mark Fellhauer" <sparkfel@qwest.net>
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 16:55:11 -0500
X-Message-Number: 11
At 01:32 PM 7/5/2003, Scott Miller wrote:
>I've got a T720c which also does BREW and I did a little research on this a
>while back. BREW's a proprietary thing, and to actually get the development
>kit, write a program, and get it signed to allow distribution, you're
>looking at an investment of thousands of dollars.
I'm aware of BREW's restrictions. I think if you go back through the APRS
archives I posted a message about BREW's shortcomings several months back...
>The same phone, if you
>get it from AT&T rather than Verizon, does J2ME and you can write your own
>apps and download them off the web for free. AT&T's coverage sucks where I
>work, though, so I'm stuck with Verizon.
There are stories that IBM, HP and Insignia have been writing J2ME
compliant Java Virtual Machines in BREW.
http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/wi-tip21.html?dwzone=wireless
I doubt I could get the same phone from AT&T, as the 4400 is BREW only. I
believe the nearest LG equivalent would be the (dual mode only) 5350.
AT&T doesn't provide coverage in South Dakota, but we get their
advertisements... The cheapest color screened flip-fone they offer is 2
to 4 times more expensive through AT&T. I have been very pleased with
Verizon's extensive coverage and Tech Support as well as their
pricing/roaming schedule. I think I can take the bitter BREW (pardon the
pun) as their only negative. In fact, I cut the cord with Qwest and no
longer have a land-line phone.
>As for GPS, is it really GPS, or aGPS? aGPS (Assisted GPS) doesn't actually
>give you a full GPS receiver in the phone - it offloads processing to the
>cell network. It's actually a pretty clever scheme, but it means your phone
>doesn't actually know where it is. You're at the mercy of the network
>provider for dissemination of your location data.
It's aGPS, but I don't see that as a negative. There are reports that the
VX4400 when put in test mode, displays a LAT/LON location screen with
zeros. Since we don't have e911 capability yet, who knows what that screen
will display in the future? And if Verizon offers a reasonably priced
pay-for package for GPS location on a moving map color screen, for say 7
bucks a month (unlimited use), vs. a separate $xxx.xx hand held GPS
receiver, the payout period is 3 years. And considering aGPS is supposed
to work inside buildings, what could be cooler? Especially if we could
get a small app into the phone that polls the aGPS data and feeds that info
into the APRS network. I know some Ham radio purists are groaning right
about now... But I see this as an adjunct to Ham radio, not a
replacement. There are times I'd like to play APRS, but where the
associated equipment is just too burdensome to drag along or I find myself
in places where traditional APRS digipeater and gates are not in range. I
have used my TH-D7 inside airports, but was unable to get my conventional
GPS to lock a position...
Granted, I could use the existing phone with a Pocket PC and CF GPS card to
get into the APRS network, but again that adds to the bulk and complexity
of the setup, especially since the whole deal still needs to be cabled
up. My Casio E200 requires an RS232-adapter, separate RS232 cable, null
modem adapter, and serial cable to VX4400 - to make that work. Not to
mention the cost of the associated hardware and cables (about xxx
bucks). I'm waiting for Verizon to offer a BlueTooth phone.
But it would be nicer to open the phone, acquire an aGPS fix, press a
button or two, and send a position report rather than go through the APRS
gear dance while in an airport or hiking...
Mark
KC7BXS
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