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TAPR APRS Special Interest Group Digest for Saturday, June 21, 2003.
1. APRS and IRLP
2. Clueless radio marketeers.
3. Re:Clueless radio marketeers.
4. Re: WinAPRS Support for Server Filters?
5. RE: Clueless radio marketeers.
6. RE: Clueless radio marketeers.
7. RE: Clueless radio marketeers.
8. RE: Clueless radio marketeers.
9. Kantronics 9612
10. RE: Clueless radio marketeers.
11. RE: Clueless radio marketeers.
12. Re: APRS and IRLP
13. Davis WW3
14. Re: New RINO data.
15. Re: WinAPRS Support for Server Filters?
16. Kantronics KPC-3 Manual
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Subject: APRS and IRLP
From: Adi Linden <adil@adis.on.ca>
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:10:38 -0500 (CDT)
X-Message-Number: 1
Hi,
I am working away at marrying my IRLP node with APRS. I've read in several
places about the message format for an IRLP node. However, there are a
number of different formats I have come across. Could someone clarify what
an IRLP node should send to the APRS-IS?
The aprs_status script for irlp nodes does this:
The format of the beacon is as follows (From the APRS Protocol Spec):
!DDMM.mmSIDDDMM.mmE0PHGphgdFFFFFF/TTTyyyyyyyyyyzzzzzzzz
Where:
DD/DDD = Degrees
MM = Minutes
mm = Decimal Minutes (Seconds)
S = N/S
E = E/W
I and 0 = IRLP Icon
p = Power
h = Height
g = Gain
d = Directivity
FFFFFF = Node Frequency in kHz
TTT = Node PL tone frequency
yyyyyyyyyy = Node Status
zzzzzzzz = Additional Info
Then there is the message format described at
http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/avrs.html:
IRLP-####!DDMM.hhN/DDDMM.hhWLCCCCCC 44X.XXX PL YYY
And from some saved email from one of the irlp or aprs groups:
;MDannap.*3859.11N/07629.11W&IRLP#12345 on 147.555 PL156
Where: ;...*... is the standard APRS object format
MDannap is the 8 char node name (Human readable, Annapolis MD)
. The "." means IDLE. "=" is connected. "?" is down etc
LAT/LONG is the position..
IRLP#12345 identifies the node
147.555 is the frequency and PL
Thanks,
Adi
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Adi Linden | va3adi | va3adi@adis.ca | http://adis.ca
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IRLP Node 2590 in Sioux Lookout, Ontario
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Subject: Clueless radio marketeers.
From: David VanHorn <dvanhorn@cedar.net>
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 01:58:14 -0500
X-Message-Number: 2
ROTFLMAO
Nextel wants to trademark "push to talk".
Gee, never heard that anywhere before!
http://www.forbes.com/markets/newswire/2003/06/20/rtr1006950.html
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Subject: Re:Clueless radio marketeers.
From: "Julian \(OH8GEJ\)" <julian@privateasylum.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:30:01 +0300
X-Message-Number: 3
How is it possible to Trademark a feature which has existed in radio
communications since the invention of the desktop microphone.
>Nextel wants to trademark "push to talk".
>Gee, never heard that anywhere before!
73s
Julian
OH8GEJ
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Subject: Re: WinAPRS Support for Server Filters?
From: "AE5PL Lists" <HamLists@ametx.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 06:35:44 -0500
X-Message-Number: 4
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dennis Hudson [mailto:n2lbt@n2lbt.com]
>Posted At: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:22 PM
>Subject: Re: [aprssig] Re: WinAPRS Support for Server Filters?
>
>I think you're reading the intent of my original comment wrong
>(probably it was just too short), I love the idea of javaprs and all
>this filter stuff. I assume you know I run javAPRS on my server as
>well. I appreciate you picking that up and running with it. If
>javAprsServ was an option for aprs servers I'd even consider
>switching.
>But aprsd is all we really have for headless dedicated servers at the
>moment.
I want to clarify a misconception held by many, I think. javAPRS and
javAPRSSrvr are two totally separate applications. javAPRS is an applet
with a GUI that runs in a client browser to primarily display APRS data
received via the Internet. javAPRSSrvr is a stand-alone Java
application designed from scratch which is effectively an APRS packet
switch.
javAPRSSrvr is currently being run on Unix, Linux, Windows, and Mac
operating systems. It is a console application and does not have a GUI.
It can be run as a daemon under Linux and Unix with proper
configuration, as a service under Windows, and as an application under
the Mac (I am not sure of setting up daemons in OS X). Or, it can be
run as a standard command-line application in all of these environments.
Due to the OS specific functionality of serial port operation in Java,
javAPRSSrvr does NOT have an IGate function.
javAPRSSrvr is available free-of-charge to amateur radio operators for
amateur use. If you want to implement a javAPRSSrvr, simply contact me
directly at pete@ae5pl.net and I can set you up.
73,
Pete Loveall AE5PL
pete@ae5pl.net
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Subject: RE: Clueless radio marketeers.
From: "AE5PL Lists" <HamLists@ametx.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 06:55:20 -0500
X-Message-Number: 5
Interesting. The Forbes article appears to jump the gun as the USPTO
web site doesn't show that Nextel has received registration numbers for
those trademarks (PTT and Push to Talk). However, there are a couple of
other companies that have!
The USPTO is so overwhelmed with patent and trademark applications, they
have gotten into the mode of "if it isn't obvious to a lay person, then
let it pass". It is amazing some of the stuff trademarked and patented
these days.
73,
Pete Loveall AE5PL
pete@ae5pl.net
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Subject: RE: Clueless radio marketeers.
From: Rich Osman <Rich@osman.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 17:09:23 -0500
X-Message-Number: 6
I thought "common usage" was enough to preclude trademarking a term.
--
mailto:Rich@Osman.com http://www.rich.osman.com
Rich Osman; POB 93167; Southlake, TX 76092 (Near DFW Airport) ARS: N1OZ
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Subject: RE: Clueless radio marketeers.
From: "Mike Yetsko" <myetsko@insydesw.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:09:41 -0400
X-Message-Number: 7
>I thought "common usage" was enough to preclude trademarking a term.
Did that stop Radio Shack?
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Subject: RE: Clueless radio marketeers.
From: "Sean \\The RIMBoy\\" <sean@rimboy.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 16:52:56 -0500 (CDT)
X-Message-Number: 8
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003, Mike Yetsko wrote:
>>I thought "common usage" was enough to preclude trademarking a term.
>
>Did that stop Radio Shack?
Or Microsoft with Windows.
So Bob, what about APRS :)
Sean...
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Subject: Kantronics 9612
From: David Shaw <dshaw@computer-medic.us>
Date: 21 Jun 2003 16:18:59 -0700
X-Message-Number: 9
Hello All, Does anyone have the Kanronics 9612 Version 7.0 binary file?
I would like to look at it so I can see if I can set defaults in the
file. If I can then I will see about getting a ROM burner.
Thanks, David
FYI
I have version 7. I just don't have a ROM reader.
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Subject: RE: Clueless radio marketeers.
From: Rich Garcia <k4gps@bellsouth.net>
Date: 21 Jun 2003 19:18:43 -0400
X-Message-Number: 10
I think me is going to trademark the word truck on Monday morning. I
need to make a few dollars.
That must be it..if I can't turn a profit off of my service I guess I
will just do it by suing people for trademark laws.
Bob...and all the other APRS authors. I guess you will need to modify
your help files where you talk about hooking up the TNC. Careful they
may come after all the $$ you have made off of "their idea".
Next they will set their sights on Walkie Talkie...
--
Rich Garcia K4GPS
Jupiter Farms FL.
www.richgarcia.net
Jupiter Farms Community Emergency Response Team
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Subject: RE: Clueless radio marketeers.
From: Steve Dimse <k4hg@tapr.org>
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:22:44 -0400
X-Message-Number: 11
On 6/21/03 at 4:52 PM Sean \The RIMBoy\ <sean@rimboy.com> sent:
>So Bob, what about APRS :)
Bob does own a trademark on APRS, if you note the bottom of many of my web
pages, the acknowledgement is there. There is also a pharmacy software
system known as APRS.
A trademark does not give exclusive access to a word. If Nextel gets a
trademark, they couldn't't keep Kenwood from advertising that their radios
have a PTT switch. They could, however, stop Sprint from calling their
direct connection cell phone feature PTT.
You can trademark a common word, but these are called "weak" trademarks,
and don't provide the same protection as so-called strong traemarks, for
example "Exxon", a word that does not exist outside of the trademarked use.
So don't worry, Nextel isn't going to sue hams to force them to stop
calling their buttons PTT!
Steve K4HG
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