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Subject: Re: Air emergency?
From: "Curt Mills, WE7U" <hacker@tc.fluke.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:39:55 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 10
On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Bob Bruninga wrote:
>VE7EJ is squaking EMERGENCY from his small aircraft at 3500 feet heading
>082 degrees at 49N 02.43 minutes north and 121W 56.28 minutes.
The Seattle tower was already called and they are alerting B.C.
I see several people trying to message to the plane as well. Saw
some ack's as well, but no response from the plane other than that.
They appear to be well above the terrain and doing large loops on
the map during the nice weather we're having today.
--
Curt Mills, WE7U hacker_NO_SPAM_@tc.fluke.com
Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin
"Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math!"
"Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates!" -- WE7U
"The world DOES revolve around me: I picked the coordinate system!"
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Subject: Re: Emergency? (fwd)
From: "Curt Mills, WE7U" <hacker@tc.fluke.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:45:18 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 11
FYI.
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Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:43:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Cronk N7FSP <n7fsp@yahoo.com>
To: Curt Mills <hacker@tc.fluke.com>, NW APRS <nwaprssig@nwaprs.org>
Subject: Re: Emergency?
I just got a call back from Canada's version of the FAA and apperantly
VE7EJ-7 is out on a search of a missing aircraft and somehow tripped the
"EMERGENCY" beacon on the APRS as he is part -OF- the search... air traffic
control will be contacting him to turn the beacon off shortly.
de N7FSP - West Seattle, WA.
http://www.qsl.net/n7fsp
--- Curt Mills <hacker@tc.fluke.com> wrote:
>
>VE7EJ-7, airplane symbol. North of me into B.C. Emergency Mic-E
>broadcast. Anybody care to check up on him?
>
>Fred Ellard Gordon Carey
>1249 AMAZON DRIVE
>PORT COQUITLAM, BC
>
>That's the data I get from my Xastir RAC lookup.
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Subject: Re: Air emergency?
From: Rich Garcia <k4gps@bellsouth.net>
Date: 02 Jun 2003 17:52:22 -0400
X-Message-Number: 12
I sure do hope they have SOME sort of trouble they can report. It can
become quite costly if someone decides to go after them for a false report.
I am actually torn with the "boy that cried wolf syndrome" every morning I
usually wake up to several Emergency Alerts on my display from somewhere in
Europe, this CA one is the closest one I have seen yet in a long time.
The feature can be VERY useful but I think as more and more false reports
go out more and more people will ignore them. I just hope in this case the
AA station is not having serious mechanical problems.
Rich
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Subject: Re: Air emergency?
From: "Mike Yetsko" <myetsko@insydesw.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:58:13 -0400
X-Message-Number: 13
>I sure do hope they have SOME sort of trouble they can report. It can
>become quite costly if someone decides to go after them for a false
>report.
>
>I am actually torn with the "boy that cried wolf syndrome" every morning
>I usually wake up to several Emergency Alerts on my display from
>somewhere in Europe, this CA one is the closest one I have seen yet in a
>long time.
>
>The feature can be VERY useful but I think as more and more false
>reports go out more and more people will ignore them. I just hope in
>this case the AA station is not having serious mechanical problems.
>
>Rich
Eventually one of two things will happen.
Either the emergency beacon will be just as you describe, the boy who
cried wolf, or it's electronic equivilent, and it will be ignored. And if
that happens, we can thank all the people who seem to be pretty careless
about activating this.
The other extreme is the beacons will be taken seriously. And the people
who set them off will be handled just as any other 'false alarm' is. Ie,
fines and/or prosectution.
Which is worse?
Mike
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Subject: OLD virus software...
From: "Mike Yetsko" <myetsko@insydesw.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 18:03:32 -0400
X-Message-Number: 14
I'm trying to set up a laptop (an OLD DECpc 425se) as a terminal to my
KPC3.
Only it has a virus. I know because I put in a blank diskette, do a dir of
the diskette, then take the diskette to my desktop and my alarms go off
that it has the ANTIEXE virus.
Now, I have the latest Norton for my desktop, but the rescue disk won't run
on the laptop (it's DOS 6.20).
Does anyone know of any virus program that still runs on old PCs in DOS?
Or does anyone know where I can pick up DOS 6.20 if I have to just blow it
away?
Mike
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Subject: Re: Emergency? (fwd)
From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 18:14:29 -0400 (EDT)
X-Message-Number: 15
On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Curt Mills, WE7U wrote:
>I just got a call back from Canada's version of the FAA and
>apperantly VE7EJ-7 is out on a search of a missing aircraft
>and somehow tripped the "EMERGENCY" beacon on the APRS as
>he is part -OF- the search... air traffic control will be
>contacting him to turn the beacon off shortly.
N7RR first heard the packets and only had a D7 and so after exhausting
other avenues, they directed him to the Coast Guard Seattle. They were
intrigued by this whole APRS thing and we gave them the WEB page and they
were amazed. They also got similar reports that there was a search in
progress and they think this was one of their own search aircraft.
Bottom line, the problem was resolved, but they are curious and would like
to know more. Who has a good dog-n-pony show to go show them what APRS
is all about? at their leisure... This is the Coast Guard in Seattle..
Bob
WB4APR
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Subject: Re: Emergency? (fwd)
From: "Curt Mills, WE7U" <hacker@tc.fluke.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:19:29 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 16
>Bottom line, the problem was resolved, but they are curious and would like
>to know more. Who has a good dog-n-pony show to go show them what APRS
>is all about? at their leisure... This is the Coast Guard in Seattle..
We have several people around here that can do it. I'll post this
to the NWAPRS list and see if someone can get in touch with them.
--
Curt Mills, WE7U hacker_NO_SPAM_@tc.fluke.com
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Subject: Re: Air emergency?
From: "tvsjr@sprynet.com" <tvsjr@sprynet.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 18:29:49 -0500 (CDT)
X-Message-Number: 17
Perhaps we should look at the notification when the emergency beacon has
been activated. APRS Emergency isn't really intended to be a "silent
alarm", per se, so why do the D700s not come up and display a large alert
message on the display (accompanied by audible signals, preferably ignoring
the volume-control settings) that the emergency beacon is active? It's far
too easy to activate the beacon (especially if you store an emergency
configuration in the PM memories) without realizing it. This is harder to
do in the more "embedded" applications, such as the Mic-E or TinyTrak
boards, but it still shouldn't be extraordinarily difficult (of course,
it's harder to inadvertently turn on Emergency on these devices, as they're
more difficult to program, and you would usually have some way to check the
packet you're transmitting if you should reprogram one of them.)
It would be helpful to establish a certain time period every so often for
testing of APRS Emergency beacons. For instance, if I want to program a PM
on my D700 with an Emergency configuration, I don't want to mess with
changing the status text to indicate that it's a test, because when I
activate the PM, it should be for real. If a certain time has been
established already, it certainly is not well-publicized.
73s,
Terry/N5RSE
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Subject: Re: Emergency? (fwd)
From: "Daron J. Wilson" <daron@wilson.org>
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:43:32 -0700
X-Message-Number: 18
>We have several people around here that can do it. I'll post this
>to the NWAPRS list and see if someone can get in touch with them.
You might also see who does COMMS for the coast guard auxiliary there.
When I was in the auxiliary, we had the opportunity to do weekend
routine flights all summer, and I know there are several pilots up in
that area doing the same now. The routine flights are turned into SAR
status when needed, and the folks are treated like regular coast guard.
There is likely a communications officer (quite likely a ham) in the
auxiliary there that may be an easy contact somewhat inside to help with
presenting information.
How does one accidently transmit the emergency beacon? I'm guessing
this is on the Kenwood all in one radio or something? Perhaps there is
not an adequate number of keystrokes to enable it or something if it
happens this easy?
De N7HQR
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