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TAPR APRS Special Interest Group Digest for Friday, May 30, 2003.

1. 10M FM OPEN! 1.a.m EST
2. Six too!  (was Re: 10M FM OPEN! 1.a.m EST)
3. Re: Tier 2 Server Information.
4. RE: Broadband on Power --City(not FCC) enforces   radio law and busts CBer
5. fourth.aprs.net information....
6. ? Path Info via Internet or Findu ???
7. Re: ? Path Info via Internet or Findu ???
8. Re: Tier 2 Server Information.
9. Local Gov. vs. FCC Regulations???
10. RE: Broadband on Power --City(not FCC) enforces   radio law and busts CBer
11. Re: Local Gov. vs. FCC Regulations???
12. Re: 10M FM OPEN! 1.a.m EST
13. CB enforcement
14. Re: CB enforcement
15. Re: fourth.aprs.net information....
16. The GPS Sentences
17. RE: The GPS Sentences
18. Re: The GPS Sentences
19. Re: APRS Client Longevity
20. Coverage Map
21. WoW!!!
22. Coverage Mapping
23. Email from a D700
24. RE: fourth.aprs.net information....
25. callsign server
26. Coverage Mapping; Software Sourcing
27. Office Max WD 120GB HD Still on Sale
28. APRS Internet System Design Philosophy
29. Re: APRS Internet System Design Philosophy
30. Re: callsign server
31. Re: APRS Internet System Design Philosophy
32. Re: APRS Internet System Design Philosophy
33. Re: APRS Internet System Design Philosophy
34. Re: callsign server
35. RE: callsign server
36. Re: APRS Internet System Design Philosophy
37. Re: APRS Internet System Design Philosophy
38. Re: APRS Internet System Design Philosophy

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Subject: 10M FM OPEN! 1.a.m EST
From: "Matthew Stennett" <wa4tkg@iwon.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 00:55:08 -0400 (EDT)
X-Message-Number: 1

GO GET IT! 
10M FM band WIDE open  on East Coast, Friday,  1a.m.

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Subject: Six too!  (was Re: 10M FM OPEN! 1.a.m EST)
From: Earl Needham <needhame@yucca.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 23:14:27 -0600
X-Message-Number: 2

At 12:55 AM 5/30/2003 -0400, Matthew Stennett wrote:

>GO GET IT!
>10M FM band WIDE open  on East Coast, Friday,  1a.m.

         SIX METERS TOO!!!

         7 3
         Earl

Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico  DM84jk
KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1%:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 
-EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630>
SETI@Home: 10657WU/6.94yrs!

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Subject: Re: Tier 2 Server Information.
From: Bill Vodall - WA7NWP <wa7nwp@jnos.org>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 22:38:28 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 3

>Port 14580 is a 'User Definable Port'. You can tell the server exactly what
>you want to see based on area range filters, budlists, types of messages,
>etc. Once you learn how to send a 'filter' message to the server on that
>port, you can extract and 'pull' data from the server. The feed is
>completely bidirectional.

Are these user definable ports message smart?   If somebody logs on to
receive postings from a limited geographic region, will they still receive
messages sent to them from outside the region?

Similarly it would be a concern if they were acting as an Igate for an area
and they weren't receiving messages from stations outside the region
destined for stations in the selected area.

Good work folks on this feature.  It is much needed.

73,
Bill - WA7NWP

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Subject: RE: Broadband on Power --City(not FCC) enforces   radio law and busts
CBer
From: "Doug Younker" <dougy@ruraltel.net>
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 02:13:28 -0500
X-Message-Number: 4

The city would soon discover that the FCC prohibits local enforcement of
licensed operators/services.  Nor are they allowed to create new
communications laws and are limited to enforcing FCC regulations only.
That's how I understand the deal.--73
Doug, N0LKK
 dougy@ruraltel.net

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Subject: fourth.aprs.net information....
From: "Dave Anderson" <dandersn@citicom.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 04:14:35 -0400
X-Message-Number: 5

Hi,

Just an update --- APRSFL has agreed to move into a core aprs-is server
position, taking fourth.aprs.net.   We've also been added to
rotate.aprs.net.

We are going to keep our identity as APRSFL, and continue to offer both full
feeds -and- custom feeds as we have in the past.  Basically, nothing has or
will change in how we run the server, just a new classification which should
allow us to meet the needs of even more users worldwide.

You can view all the details about the server on our webpage, at
http://www.aprsfl.net.

Server statistics are also available at http://aprsfl.net:14501.

All are more than welcome and encouraged to link here.

Any questions, comments, or suggestions, let me know.

73 de Dave
KG4YZY
www.aprsfl.net

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Subject: ? Path Info via Internet or Findu ???
From: Rich Garcia <k4gps@bellsouth.net>
Date: 30 May 2003 04:39:02 -0400
X-Message-Number: 6

Does anyone know of a way to get the path data on a station via the
Internet or Findu ? I have recently set up Linux for my Igate station
and activated it. Due to some good digi's and skip I am having a hard
time finding out if my station is actually feeding RF to the Internet.
Even a mobile station is making it to a digi over 100 miles and
sometimes 160 miles away. Since the distant Igate would be the last to
send the data out that is what I see on my screen and on findu.

Does anyone have a way to search logs to see what all the actual paths
are ? The only other thing I can do maybe tomorrow is set up the mobile
on a dummy load and let her rip from the driveway or hook up the laptop
and remove any digi paths I have in the dumb tracker.
-- 
Rich Garcia K4GPS
Jupiter Farms FL.
www.richgarcia.net
Jupiter Farms Community Emergency Response Team

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Subject: Re: ? Path Info via Internet or Findu ???
From: "Steve Dimse" <k4hg@tapr.org>
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:58:01 +0000
X-Message-Number: 7

On 30 May 2003 04:39:02 -0400, Rich Garcia wrote
>Does anyone know of a way to get the path data on a station
>via the Internet or Findu ? I have recently set up Linux for
>my Igate station and activated it. Due to some good digi's and
>skip I am having a hard time finding out if my station is
>actually feeding RF to the Internet. Even a mobile station is
>making it to a digi over 100 miles and sometimes 160 miles
>away. Since the distant Igate would be the last to send the
>data out that is what I see on my screen and on findu.

No, findU saves the first packet, not the last. If you are hearing someone
direct, your packet ought to get to findU before any others.

>Does anyone have a way to search logs to see what all the
>actual paths are ? The only other thing I can do maybe
>tomorrow is set up the mobile on a dummy load and let her rip
>from the driveway or hook up the laptop and remove any digi
>paths I have in the dumb tracker.

The find page shows the raw packet. If all is set up correctly, this will
show you the first digi and the IGate.

http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/near.cgi?call=k4gps

The closest station other than yours is Derick, clicking on the call gets
the find page:

http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?call=NP2IJ

The raw packet is:

NP2IJ>APW251,K4PKT-3,KF4DXY-3,KG5QD-3*,WIDE,qAO,WB2WPA-3:=2654.26N/
08013.33WiPHG2298/np2ij,jupiter farms.fl.el96vv -FLPALJUPITER -251-<630>

From this, the acket went through three digis before getting IGated by the
Naples IGate. This makes it unlikely you are IGating...you should hear
Derick direct, or at least on one hope, yet the packet takes a much longer
path to the internet.

I see k4gps-8 is connected to fourth:

http://4.aprs.net:14501/

but has only sent 5000 chars in 10 hours, making it very clear that the
IGate function is not functioning correctly...

Steve K4HG

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Subject: Re: Tier 2 Server Information.
From: "AE5PL Lists" <HamLists@ametx.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 05:34:57 -0500
X-Message-Number: 8

See below...

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Vodall - WA7NWP [mailto:wa7nwp@jnos.org]
>Posted At: Friday, May 30, 2003 12:43 AM
>Subject: [aprssig] Re: Tier 2 Server Information.
>
>Are these user definable ports message smart?   If somebody
>logs on to receive postings from a limited geographic region,
>will they still receive messages sent to them from outside the region?

Absolutely.  The user defined port basis is a "client-only" port which
automatically passes any messages that are TO the connected station.

>Similarly it would be a concern if they were acting as an
>Igate for an area and they weren't receiving messages from
>stations outside the region destined for stations in the
>selected area.

They will also receive messages that are TO and FROM any station that
meet the filter criteria.  This was a requirement when Roger Bille
developed javAPRSFilter.  There are a number of IGates that have used
the filtered ports without problem.

Note that these are "no-echo" ports so a connected station won't see
packets that are injected into APRS-IS by the connected station.

73,

Pete Loveall AE5PL
pete@ae5pl.net

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