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Subject: Information for APRS microsat for sciencefair project
From: "Stu Hickey" <ve6sah@rac.ca>
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 14:33:40 -0600
X-Message-Number: 6
Hello to everyone in the list.
Two of my children, Kyle VA6KBH and Chelsea VA6CNH are attempting to
build an actual microsat to hopefully be flown in space for their grade
9/10 science-fair project. This may sound like a pipe-dream but they
have a lot of help and backing from both the local college and their
school. We hope to enlist the aid of DRDC Canada in 'hardening' the
craft.
My question is this: could someone on the list point us (them) the
right direction regarding an organization or individual who may be able
to help facilitate 'flying' this project.
Thanks and 73,
Stu Hickey, VE6SAH
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Subject: Re: APRS Install on BMW Motorcycle
From: "Mike Yetsko" <myetsko@insydesw.com>
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 16:45:16 -0400
X-Message-Number: 7
I recently went to BMWs web page and asked about installing HAM
equipment in/on their vehicles.
What brought this about was a discussion in another group where
yet another company told a customer 'no warrantee' if they installed
a radio transmitter. This started a big (you can imagine) flame war,
and the BMW name was brought up as a company that in the past
was 'unfriendly' to HAMs.
So I wrote to them and asked about it. Here's what I got as a response.
____________________________________________________
I am with BMW of North America, LLC. Your Owners' Circle inquiry has
been forwarded to me for a response.
BMW of North America, LLC does not recommend altering our vehicles from
their original design. The installation of an aftermarket part could
potentially cause electronic failure and even possibly void the warranty on
your vehicle.
We appreciate you contacting BMW and hope you will continue to stay in
touch with us. We are here for you either through our website at
www.bmwusa.com or by calling 1-800-831-1117.
Thank you for choosing BMW.
______________________________________________________
The original question as I submitted it to them was:
There were recent discussions on some newsgroups about the issues of
radio transmitters being installed in vehicles and manufacturers voiding
warrantees. And in those discussions, BMW was named as one of the
manufactures.
Is there a corporate statement of policy concerning the installation of
radio transmitters (HAM radio equipment) in or on vehicles manufactured by
BMW? (Cars and motorcycles)
_____________________________________________________
I don't know about everyone else, but I don't feel I got a good answer.
I got more of a 'no' but a sidestep so that it doesn't sound like a no.
Mike
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Subject: Re: APRS Install on BMW Motorcycle
From: "Ray J. Vaughan" <ray@rayvaughan.com>
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 16:58:09 -0400
X-Message-Number: 8
Very surprising since the SAME BMW is pushing themselves as THE public
safety motorcycle supplier. What public safety entity wouldn't mount a
radio on their bikes? We have 12 of them where I work. I wonder if they
wouldn't mind including that statement in the ads they run in public safety
circles.
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Subject: New at Dayton?
From: "Peter Devanney" <pdevanney@sympatico.ca>
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 17:25:57 -0400
X-Message-Number: 9
For those of you that made it to Dayton,
Anything new for APRS at Dayton?
Anything new from Kenwood? I'm looking at a D700 and wondering if I should
wait?
Peter
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Subject: U-100 and WinAPRS
From: James Smith <k9apr@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 17:03:42 -0500
X-Message-Number: 10
I figured out how to get the Ultimeter 100 and WinAPRS to work, you must
select U-2000 in order for it to work properly... :-)
--
73, James, K9APR Webmaster Webmaster
Chairman \ Coordinator Indiana Repeater Council Henry Co.
Amateur Radio Club
Tri-State APRS Working Group http://www.ircinc.org
http://www.qsl.net/hcara
http://www.tawg.org
mailto:k9apr@tawg.org
Run a APRS Website? Why not join the APRS Webring. http://www.tawg.org/join.htm
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Subject: Re: APRS Install on BMW Motorcycle
From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 18:20:52 -0400 (EDT)
X-Message-Number: 11
On Fri, 16 May 2003, Doug McFadden wrote:
>I'd like to join you on the ride, the only thing I lack is vacation time.
>I have a dumb tracker installed on my '99 Valkrie and am surpized at how
>well it works. Have fun on the ride!!!
>
>Send me some pictures of your installation on your bike. I'm curious as
>to how others are doing it. Maybe if there's enough interrest, we need a
>web page just for bikes and aprs???
Sorry, but Im not going on a ride, jsut helping someone outfit his bike.
Last bike I had was a Honda 750 and that was 20 years ago... :-(
But the idea for an APRServe web page that only displayed Bikes would be
nice...
Bob
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Subject: Re: Telemetry
From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 18:27:04 -0400 (EDT)
X-Message-Number: 12
On Sat, 17 May 2003, Jimmy Floyd wrote:
>1) If I enable the telemtry command will this send the Analog output to
>beacon ?
Yes, just give command TE 1 and you will get telemetry every 10 seconds
for testing. TE 60 wouild be once every 10 minutes.. etc...
>2) Is adding the resistors neccesary for the KPC3+ to read correct voltage?
>If so, exactly where should they be added?
No, it can read any voltage between 0 and 5 votls directly. But if you
are going above 5 volts, then you need the two resistor voltage divider.
I chose 2.4k and 10k because the ratio is close to what give a telemetry
count that is close to the voltage in tenths of a volt.
If you put in 13 volts without the resistors, because of the 5 volt
limit, you will blow the KPC3...
Just connect them to the AN0 input...
Bob
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Subject: Re: I Thought PCSAT Was DEAD?
From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 18:37:29 -0400 (EDT)
X-Message-Number: 13
On Sat, 17 May 2003, Matthew Stennett wrote:
>Ijust heard it go over, despite the fact that I aparently didn't make
>it INTO it....what's the deal?
See the web page. Its alive in the afternoon sun just like it always has
been. What we declared last week or so was that we are not able to
guarantee service and that no one should expect or plan on service, but
use it if its there.
PCsat WEB page http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/pcsat.html
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Subject: Re: APRS Install on BMW Motorcycle
From: "Mike Yetsko" <myetsko@insydesw.com>
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 18:54:35 -0400
X-Message-Number: 14
Well, I still have 2 bikes. The CBX isn't running (the motor is all over
the shop right now) and there isn't much room for anything on that
anyway.
The Gold Wing, on the other hand already has radios on it. In fact, I
have an old Kenwood 2M radio in the one pocket that is almost
useless since it doesn't do PL and most stuff in this area is now PL.
Perhaps it's time to take an old MIC-E and...
Mike
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Subject: Apples & Oranges : Was about: APRS Install on BMW Motorcycle
From: "John Langtry, VE3NEC" <ve3nec@sympatico.ca>
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:09:36 -0400
X-Message-Number: 16
Folks,
There has been a lot of discussion on this topic, even to the point of
quoting a BMW spokesman.(cars)
In Canada, and I suspect in the U.S., the BMW is the Corporate name; but
the car division and the motorcyle division are as common as, well, apples
and oranges.
A car (Any, not just the BMW) is full of very complex electronic systems,
which control everything from your fuel injection and spark, to your air
conditioning, your transmission, to your "air-bags". And as such, could be
rather sensitive to R.F. emissions, especially in a mobile situation, where
the antenna radiation is less than ideal.
On a motorcycle, we don't have "air-bags", our transmission is selected by
one's foot, and our "air-conditioning" is completely CFC free, and is
provided by the Divine Creator. (No computers required.) :)
BMW Canada, (motorcycles) when asked, just recommended that I place the
radio load directly to the battery, using fused leads. (In short, common
sense.) "No, the use of a VHF radio, is quite acceptable in all our models.
One must remember, that outside of North America, the BMW bike is the
choice of the Police, all over the World. However, we can only offer a
pro-rated warrenty on the battery, should you leave the radio running with
the engine off. Other than that, every thing else is covered."
For my own part, in the early days of APRS, I used my R100 Super Sport,
equipped with a tracker & radio, to make the first maps of S. Ontario. I'd
ride, while Dave VE3FGK would track my position reports, and make our maps
- Great fun !
50 watts into a 1/4 wave, and with over 280,000 KM (168K miles) never have
I had a problem, with my BMW ! (Map making was done off 144.390 - Bob I
hope you're noting - to make a good map, I needed to transmit my Posit
every 10 seconds or so.)
All of that said, put your tracker on your bike, directly to the battery,
and go and have some fun !
vy 73 to all de John VE3NEC
905-873-8715
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