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Subject: Appalachain Trail;Swipe readers;Emergencies
From: "Pat Barthelow" <aa6eg@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 11:17:03 -0700
X-Message-Number: 18
Another idea..an emergency situation could be indicated by, say, 3 quick
swipes in succession. I was initially thinking of logging on by using any
available swipe card, but positive ID could be established if the local
state drivers license database was available to match the D/L that was
swiped.
--Pat
How about a swipe card reader, hiker uses a drivers license or any available
personal plastic card with a mag stripe? That plus a PIC, plus a radio
could be a minimalist kiosk..
73, de
Pat Barthelow aa6eg@hotmail.com
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Subject: RE: Appalachain Trail
From: Miller Scott Contr 30SCS/FTI <Scott.Miller@vandenberg.af.mil>
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 18:18:22 -0000
X-Message-Number: 19
Oddly enough, I've seen it done. It's really tedious and requires you to
carry around a big sheet of barcodes...
But that's not what I meant. I was talking about one-way messaging.
Basically alphanumeric pager type stuff.
The advantage of a barcode is that the hiker can print it at home. A
magstripe card would still have to be registered somehow with the system.
And are people really going to trust these terminals with their VISA card?
Here in CA we've got magstripes on our driver licenses, but people still
aren't too keen on swiping those just anywhere.
Scott
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Subject: RE: Appalachain Trail
From: "Wes Johnston" <wes@johnston.net>
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:19:10 -0400
X-Message-Number: 20
You have a laminated card on the kiosk with pre defined words/phrases and
swipe them.
Wes
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Subject: RE: Appalachain Trail
From: Dave VanHorn <dvanhorn@cedar.net>
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 13:27:05 -0500
X-Message-Number: 21
At 02:19 PM 5/5/2003 -0400, Wes Johnston wrote:
>You have a laminated card on the kiosk with pre defined words/phrases and
>swipe them.
Seen it done, they wear out fast.
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Subject: RE: Appalachain Trail
From: "Mike Yetsko" <myetsko@insydesw.com>
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:28:54 -0400
X-Message-Number: 22
>>Maybe even a barcode
>>reader.
>
>I can give you that in an 8 pin chip, coupled with a cheap "light pen" and
>you're there.
>
>>How about the ability for a hiker to pick up waiting messages at
>>any terminal, so those watching their progress can contact them?
>
>How do you type in messages with a barcode pen?
You have a 'bar code alphabet' that the user just 'types' on with the
bar code pen...
Mike
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Subject: Re: Tiger maps in WinAPRS
From: Mark Sproul <msproul@jove.rutgers.edu>
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:24:41 -0400
X-Message-Number: 23
Tiger map data works only with version 2.7.0 and later, It has not
been posted yet but I am going to try to get it up there today.
We had maps that are in WinAPRS format that were generated from Tiger
data from LONG time ago, these have always worked but they are NOT
what the new version is all about.
Mark
At 4:37 PM -0500 5/4/03, James Smith wrote:
>If you looked on the website close it shows 2.7.0 being released on
>May 1st that didn't happen... The tiger maps should work in 2.6 or
>below... :-)
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Subject: RE: Appalachain Trail
From: "Mike Yetsko" <myetsko@insydesw.com>
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:46:33 -0400
X-Message-Number: 24
>At 02:19 PM 5/5/2003 -0400, Wes Johnston wrote:
>>You have a laminated card on the kiosk with pre defined words/phrases and
>>swipe them.
>
>Seen it done, they wear out fast.
That's usually because the 'card' is made standard. You can make an
'oversized / overspaced' card with heavy laminations that will handle the
'extra' wear and tear. While not practical for most implementations,
it would be fine for a 'special' case.
I would think that the main issue you would have to deal with would
be fading, not 'wearing out'.
Mike
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Subject: RE: Appalachain Trail
From: Dave VanHorn <dvanhorn@cedar.net>
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 13:45:42 -0500
X-Message-Number: 25
>You have a 'bar code alphabet' that the user just 'types' on with the bar
>code pen...
Mom and Pop aren't going to use that.
I've seen it done, it takes training, and the sheets wear out fast.
Microchip might do something with their RFID line for this, good publicity
and all.
Those RFID tags are pretty cheap. You'd still need some sort of
keyboard-ish thing.
I did see a laser keyboard proto, might be available now.
The laser paints the keyboard on any reasonable surface, and picks up
reflections off your fingers for the keys.
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Subject: RE: Appalachain Trail
From: "Mike Yetsko" <myetsko@insydesw.com>
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:48:00 -0400
X-Message-Number: 26
>I did see a laser keyboard proto, might be available now.
>The laser paints the keyboard on any reasonable surface, and picks up
>reflections off your fingers for the keys.
Now THAT sounds interesting! Not for this application, but I wonder...
Mike
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Subject: RE: Appalachain Trail
From: Dave VanHorn <dvanhorn@cedar.net>
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 13:50:35 -0500
X-Message-Number: 27
>That's usually because the 'card' is made standard. You can make an
>'oversized / overspaced' card with heavy laminations that will handle the
>'extra' wear and tear. While not practical for most implementations,
>it would be fine for a 'special' case.
A heavy lamination will put you out of focus for the low cost pen readers,
and cause problems even with non-contact laser scanners.
>I would think that the main issue you would have to deal with would be
>fading, not 'wearing out'.
They don't last long enough to fade.
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Subject: Re: Appalachain Trail;Swipe readers
From: Glenn Little WB4UIV <glennmaillist@bellsouth.net>
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 14:59:36 -0400
X-Message-Number: 28
A company that I worked for did card access for antenna sites. The problem
with mag card readers in the field is bugs including wasps. They appear to
be attracted to the warmth of the electronics and the sheltering provided
to them by the card reader slot. We hat to abandon mag card readers an go
to prox cards. With these the person with the card only had to wave it
close to the reader.
73
Glenn
WB4UIV
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Subject: Grocery Store swipe cards;Sponsorship
From: "Pat Barthelow" <aa6eg@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 11:59:58 -0700
X-Message-Number: 29
A source of non-sensitive swipe cards, could be your local grocery store
with the swipe discount cards. I just looked at my Safeway swipe card, and
it also has a barcode on it..(Hey! Get Safeway or other grocery vendor to
sponsor some of the cost of the terminal, but it would only accept the
sponsor's cards....) Then Safeway could send mailers to the real hiking
crowd for hiker specialty foods, shoes, etc...uh oh....
Maybe even a free bag of groceries with every 500 hiker miles....
Maybe even have various causes, Muscular Dystrophy, polio, etc issue cards
and hikers hike for pledges....
Pat aa6eg@hotmail.com
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Subject: Re: WinAPRS program error message
From: Mark Sproul <msproul@jove.rutgers.edu>
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 15:04:32 -0400
X-Message-Number: 30
This is generated by my internal memory management code. Every time
the program needs memory for a track array, weather data, etc, it
allocates a PTR (malloc to C programmers). I keep an internal table
of all of the in use memory blocks to help prevent crashes. This
error message simply means the number of them is not enough and I
have to increase it. The next version due out soon will have this
increased dramatically.
Mark Sproul
At 6:47 PM -0400 5/3/03, Jacob Tennant wrote:
>I have been seeing this message the last few times when I run WinAPRS 2.5.1
>on internet only.
>
>"Insufficient Pointer Space, please inform authors(NewPtrClear)"
>
>This appears as a dialogue box.
>
>Jacob Tennant K8JWT
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