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Subject: Re: WinAPRS/MacAPRS now supports TIGER map data
From: "Curt Mills, WE7U" <hacker@tc.fluke.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:57:32 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 17
On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, Robbie wrote:
>My first impression is not very good, and I hope I am misunderstanding
>this annoncement..
>
>Are we to assume we have to download maps from TigerMaps to use with the
>new release? If we are out in the field away from the internet, do we
>have to know in advance to our locations and download appropriate maps?
>Will these maps be zoomable, or does each level have to be downloaded?
>
>Is developement to correct the 2.61 version to use Precision Mapping 5.0
>ceased? Can we otherwise switch back to Pmap30 then?
>
>Iapologize if it sounds like I am complaining, but I think something
>isn't quite right with the way I am understanding this..
I think you're confusing the TigerMap server with TIGER/Line map
data files. They are two different things. The announcement sounds
to me like WinAPRS will be able to use the raw data files directly.
It doesn't sound like he added TigerMap internet server capability
to WinAPRS. I haven't looked at that web page link he has yet, but
that might have more info about it.
Just a side note, Xastir handles the TigerMap server images via
internet connections _and_ also the TIGER/Line data, but the last
it does in a roundabout way: We use the TIGER/Line raw data that
has been converted to ESRI Shapefiles, which is also available for
free download, but from another couple of sites. The reasoning
behind this was twofold: 1) We already had Shapefile support in
Xastir, and 2) THe TIGER/Line raw map format seems to change about
every other year, requiring the map programs to be tweaked to handle
each new format that comes out. The ESRI Shapefile format is
published and is a common interchange format between GIS systems, so
it doesn't change as much as the TIGER/Line map format.
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Curt Mills, WE7U hacker_NO_SPAM_@tc.fluke.com
Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin
"Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math!"
"Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates!" -- WE7U
"The world DOES revolve around me: I picked the coordinate system!"
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Subject: RE: WinAPRS/MacAPRS now supports TIGER map data
From: Mark Sproul <msproul@jove.rutgers.edu>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:49:35 -0400
X-Message-Number: 18
Brian
The TIGER data is downloaded to your disk and then WinAPRS draws the
maps, this is NOT like the previous TIGER support that went to the
TIGER web page and downloaded an IMAGE. That of course required you
to be connected to the internet, this new system does NOT.
This is no different then installing Precision Mapping or downloading
previous WinAPRS maps.
HOWEVER< the new system requires that you have lots of memory and
lots of disk space. I have 1/3 of the US downloaded and it is 13 Gigs
THE GOOD NEWS is its worth it. I have spend literally 100s of hours
getting the maps to look good. The maps should follow general
WinAPRS settings are far as font size.
The even better news is you can turn on or off literally 200
different feature codes. For example, if you dont want to see
rail-roads, you can turn them off. If you only want to see water,
then you can turn everything off EXCEPT water objects.
Mic-E conversion was turned off a year ago, the problem is many
people are still running older versions.
Mark
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Subject: Re: WinAPRS/MacAPRS now supports TIGER map data
From: Mark Sproul <msproul@jove.rutgers.edu>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:08:08 -0400
X-Message-Number: 19
Curt
You are 100% correct, however I would like to clarify something VERY
IMPORTANT
WinAPRS had Tiger Map Server support LONG before Xastir ever was invented.
WinAPRS also supported mapblast, but we all know that doesnt work any more
because Mapblast changed things.
Mark
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Subject: Re: WinAPRS/MacAPRS now supports TIGER map data
From: "Curt, WE7U" <archer@eskimo.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:23:51 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 20
On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, Mark Sproul wrote:
>You are 100% correct, however I would like to clarify something VERY IMPORTANT
>
>WinAPRS had Tiger Map Server support LONG before Xastir ever was
>invented. WinAPRS also supported mapblast, but we all know that
>doesnt work any more because Mapblast changed things.
Thanks! I don't think I ever claimed that we were first for that.
We've had enough firsts...
Any more additions for the chart Mark? I'm looking for users/authors
of the various packages to help their APRS client show in the best
light possible.
I need more data!
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Curt, WE7U archer@eskimo.com
Arlington, WA, USA http://www.eskimo.com/~archer
"Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math." -- unknown
"Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates." -- WE7U
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Subject: FW: Re: WinAPRS/MacAPRS now supports TIGER map data
From: "Ray McKnight" <shortsheep@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:37:42 -0700
X-Message-Number: 21
Will this upgrade (to WinAPRS) be free to registered users or will we
need to pay an upgrade fee to use this new version? And when is it
expected to be ready for prime time (download)?
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Subject: Re: FW: Re: WinAPRS/MacAPRS now supports TIGER map data
From: Mark Sproul <msproul@jove.rutgers.edu>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:43:59 -0400
X-Message-Number: 22
Ray
Our policy has always been ONE TIME FEE, of course, that does hurt us but
thats what we promised.
The program is just about ready to go, I haven't finished the user
interface for the color changing yet.
Mark
At 10:37 AM -0700 4/24/03, Ray McKnight wrote:
>Will this upgrade (to WinAPRS) be free to registered users or will we
>need to pay an upgrade fee to use this new version? And when is it
>expected to be ready for prime time (download)?
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Subject: RE: WinAPRS/MacAPRS now supports TIGER map data
From: "Alton" <n5psp@n5psp.org>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:31:14 -0500
X-Message-Number: 23
Some documentation questions:
In the Tiger folder, can subfolders be used to organize county files
(and state / county outlines) by state or region, or do all the files
have to be at the top level inside Tiger?
What is a recommended processor speed / memory size to even
try to run this new version? Is a 500 mhz machine with 128 meg
adequate, or is it time to belly up to the bar and get one of the 2
ghz XP wonders?
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Subject: Another idea...
From: Miller Scott Contr 30SCS/FTI <Scott.Miller@vandenberg.af.mil>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 19:11:15 -0000
X-Message-Number: 24
This is another one that'd be cool for SAR. Stick an RFID tag on everyone
(the searchers, not EVERYONE everyone, thought that might make SAR easier...
just wait for the next installment of the Patriot Act) and put readers in
the vehicles and at the command post. When a team hops in a vehicle to go
search someplace, the reader interrogates the RFID tags and relays them
along with its position report. Back at the CP, you can click on the
vehicle's icon and get a list of everyone who's in it. Or for that matter,
which vehicle's got the RDF gear, the 400 ft rope bags, your lunch, etc.
The vehicle could even report the last place it saw a person or item.
Anyone worked with RFID before? I've heard ranges of up to 100 feet quoted.
10 feet ought to be plenty for such an application.
Scott
N1VG
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Subject: Another thing I'd like to see...
From: Miller Scott Contr 30SCS/FTI <Scott.Miller@vandenberg.af.mil>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 19:01:23 -0000
X-Message-Number: 25
Thought of this awhile back and forgot about it. I'd like to see a tracker
with maybe four color-coded buttons (red, yellow, green, black). Each
button captures the current GPS location and generates an object or item
report with a corresponding flag symbol. Let's say you've got a SAR team in
the field tagging, say, space shuttle debris to use a real-world example.
Each piece of debris gets a click of the red button. Human remains get a
black button. Suspected debris gets a yellow button. Back at the command
post, the map automatically pops up with the appropriate flag.
Anyone tried something like this?
Scott
N1VG
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