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Subject: And again in PDF format...
From: Miller Scott Contr 30SCS/FTI <Scott.Miller@vandenberg.af.mil>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:00:47 -0000
X-Message-Number: 9
At Ev's suggestion, I've posted the symbol table in PDF as well, for the
non-Microsoft inclined.
http://www.opentrac.org/symbols.pdf
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Subject: Re: Mixing up the proverbial can o' worms
From: Bill Vodall <wa7nwp@jnos.org>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:28:01 -0700
X-Message-Number: 10
>If I am sending health and welfare traffic during some storm or other
>catastrophe over a packet channel. I want to obsure the names of , say,
>recently deceased people before the families can be notified...
*._*..* -._.*__ --__ *..*-.-.. *..*-.*..*.-*.*.._*
*.-.*._.-__*_.-_*_-*.-__-.*_._._
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Subject: Re: Opening up the proverbial can o' worms
From: Dave VanHorn <dvanhorn@cedar.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:37:13 -0500
X-Message-Number: 11
At 05:56 PM 4/14/2003 -0400, Wes Johnston wrote:
>Since we haven't had a good flame war about NO-ID/ID and power poles
>recently.....<grin>
>
>If I am sending health and welfare traffic during some storm or other
>catastrophe over a packet channel. I want to obsure the names of , say,
>recently deceased people before the families can be notified....
Learn Navaho? :)
The prohibition is against "intent to obscure", so I don't see that the
method is relevant.
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Subject: Re: Opening up the proverbial can o' worms
From: "Ronald Reams" <wa4mjf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 19:45:46 -0400
X-Message-Number: 12
I'm wonderin' what organization you're providin' commo for that wants you
to send initial reports of death by name.
It would seem that mumbers of dead and injured would be sufficient for most
planners/decision makers.
I'd leave it to the Red Cross or other competent organization, to get in to
names of dead and/or injured persons.
73 de Ronnie
OBS/OES
Area 7 NC Section ARES/RACES
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Subject: Re: Opening up the proverbial can o' worms
From: "Curt Mills, WE7U" <hacker@tc.fluke.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:47:28 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 13
On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Dave VanHorn wrote:
>At 05:56 PM 4/14/2003 -0400, Wes Johnston wrote:
>>Since we haven't had a good flame war about NO-ID/ID and power poles
>>recently.....<grin>
>>
>>If I am sending health and welfare traffic during some storm or other
>>catastrophe over a packet channel. I want to obsure the names of , say,
>>recently deceased people before the families can be notified....
>
>Learn Navaho? :)
>
>The prohibition is against "intent to obscure", so I don't see that the
>method is relevant.
I agree mostly. The way out is to use something that's documented in a
published protocol that's already used on packet, so that you're covered.
If they allow base91 or some other bit-packing in the info field, you're
covered. You'll just have to state it differently: You wish to compress
the info so as to make it through the RF channel more efficiently, with
less chance of collisions.
--
Curt Mills, WE7U hacker_NO_SPAM_@tc.fluke.com
Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin
"Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math!"
"Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates!" -- WE7U
"The world DOES revolve around me: I picked the coordinate system!"
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Subject: Re: Opening up the proverbial can o' worms
From: "Curt Mills, WE7U" <hacker@tc.fluke.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:04:58 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 14
On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Ronald Reams wrote:
>I'm wonderin' what organization you're providin' commo
>for that wants you to send initial reports of death by name.
>
>It would seem that mumbers of dead and injured would
>be sufficient for most planners/decision makers.
>
>I'd leave it to the Red Cross or other competent organization,
>to get in to names of dead and/or injured persons.
There may not be a real need for normal situations, but what about
when all other lines of communication are down, and health/welfare
requests are coming in via amateur radio from family members outside
the area? We seem to have examples of this every year somewhere in
the world, due to earthquakes, hurricanes, other nasties.
Amateur radio could be the only method in/out, although I suspect
that APRS would not likely be the first choice, particularly over
longer distances. Few people are set up for HF or satellite APRS.
Comms from one state or county to the next are much more likely,
where APRS _could_ play a role. Might as well plan for
contingencies, right? The Red Cross might be coming to us someday
asking us to get traffic through for them.
--
Curt Mills, WE7U hacker_NO_SPAM_@tc.fluke.com
Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin
"Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math!"
"Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates!" -- WE7U
"The world DOES revolve around me: I picked the coordinate system!"
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Subject: Re: Opening up the proverbial can o' worms
From: Greg Higgins <greghiggins@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 19:34:38 -0500
X-Message-Number: 15
Let me throw in another worm that may be larger than anything else. And
that is the new HIPPA law that went into effect today (deals with patient
confidentiality) and FCC rules that forbid the use of a patients name being
transmitted an "open" channel. These are things that we have to deal with
in the EMS arena on a daily basis.
Greg Higgins KB5GLV
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Subject: Re: Opening up the proverbial can o' worms
From: "Wes Johnston" <wes@johnston.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:44:09 -0400
X-Message-Number: 16
South Carolina State Guard. I'm working on a program right now that will
let the user fill out a form on a laptop, then press "COPY", and it will
produce a delimited string of data with a checksum for transmission over
ax25 or psk31.... or email. Since most fields don't get filled out on a
given form, the "on air" version of quite small.
once at the other end the delimited string is copied into the windows
clipboard and pasted into my application. Out comes a prearrainged form
with the blanks filled in.
As usual with my programs, the code will be released to the public.
Wes
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Subject: Re: Opening up the proverbial can o' worms
From: "Ronald Reams" <wa4mjf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:46:52 -0400
X-Message-Number: 17
Well, as a retired Signal Corps Officer, I know that the Guard and
Reserve are much better supplied than in years past. Now that they
have state of the art gear, includin' Crypto, I'd let them handle it.
There are a lotta potential liabilities (beyond the FCC Rules),
in sendin' out information like this until the NOK are notified.
I'd just refuse the traffic. Even in MARS, we are prohibited
from sendin' initial notification of death.
73 de Ronnie
AAR4LG
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Subject: Hiking/Backpacking symbol...
From: "Jeffrey P. Nast" <jpnast@lca.duluth.mn.us>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:49:04 -0500
X-Message-Number: 18
I don't see a standard APRS symbol for "Backpacking/Hiking" in either
the primary or alternate symbol table. Any room for one that would
resemble the hiking symbol found here:
http://www.wy.blm.gov/cyfo/rec/rec.htm
Thank you!
-Jeff
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Subject: Re: Opening up the proverbial can o' worms
From: "John Becker" <w0jab@big-river.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:55:58 -0500
X-Message-Number: 19
The 15 + years that I have been an EMT it has been SOP to never give names.
Sex, age, mechanism of injurys and other medical status yes.
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Subject: RE: Hiking/Backpacking symbol...
From: Miller Scott Contr 30SCS/FTI <Scott.Miller@vandenberg.af.mil>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 02:22:41 -0000
X-Message-Number: 20
Yep, hiking's going in there. Many branches of the hierarchy aren't filled
in well and are mostly just there as placeholders, so sure, there are going
to be a lot of things to add.
I think there need to be separate symbols for 'hiker' and 'hiking area' or
'trail' as well.
Notice that the 'people' branch isn't filled out at all. Still gotta work
on that.
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Subject: AEA PK-12 settings
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=D8CQW?= <johne@tds.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:32:42 -0500
X-Message-Number: 21
What are the current accepted settings for a AEA PK-12, I plan on using
it again for a trip out west this summer.
Have looked in the web and archives for this list not much listed for
the PK-12.
Thanks de John K=D8CQW
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