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TAPR APRS Special Interest Group Digest for Saturday, March 29, 2003.
1. WNY/So ONT: Who hears ...
2. Re: APRS development?
3. Re: Digipeating and fun with PIDs
4. Re: APRS development?
5. Re: APRS development?
6. Re: Digipeating and fun with PIDs
7. New cgi for pcs phones
8. Precision Mapping help
9. Re: New cgi for pcs phones
10. OT: Ham Pages
11. RE: Precision Mapping help
12. Re: Digipeating and fun with PIDs
13. Re: Digipeating and fun with PIDs
14. PCsat Operations.
15. Re: OT: Ham Pages
16. Re: New cgi for pcs phones
17. Re: New cgi for pcs phones
18. Old KAM Killing USB Ports
19. Transmitter combining.
20. Internet feed vs. FINDU.COM
21. Re: Internet feed vs. FINDU.COM
22. XASTIR
23. RE: XASTIR
24. Re: XASTIR
25. Re: Transmitter combining.
26. Re: Transmitter combining.
27. RE: Internet feed vs. FINDU.COM
28. New winaprs maps
29. Re: XASTIR
30. Re: Digipeating and fun with PIDs
31. XASTIR help needed
32. Re: XASTIR help needed
33. Trouble with aprs.rutgers.edu?
34. RE: Trouble with aprs.rutgers.edu?
35. Re: XASTIR help needed
36. NOSaprs 1.15b4 patch available
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Subject: WNY/So ONT: Who hears ...
From: "Ev Tupis (W2EV)" <w2ev@arrl.net>
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 08:22:07 -0500
X-Message-Number: 1
I'm attempting to learn about two hilltop sites: WX3P and W2AAA. If you
live in Western NY or Southern Ontario, would you mind running a quickie
test for me?
Tune to the APRS frequency on 2m and listen for WX3P *direct*. It is in
FN12. If you wouldn't mind, it may take a while, as traffic may be heavy.
Then, tune to 147.585 FM and listen for W2AAA direct. It is in FN02.
I'm interested to learn about the simplex ranges of both of these
digipeaters. Please reply direct, rather than on-list. Thank you for
whatever help you can offer.
Ev, W2EV
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Subject: Re: APRS development?
From: Hamish Moffatt <hamish@cloud.net.au>
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 00:57:19 +1100
X-Message-Number: 2
On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 04:06:21PM -0500, Mark Sproul wrote:
>Also the X-APRS version is almost ready, just link issues to work out
>for distribution.
What will be the benefit of X-APRS over Xastir?
Obviously the benefits would need to be significant assuming that you
intend to (a) charge for it and (b) not release the source code.
73
Hamish
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Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <hamish@debian.org> <hamish@cloud.net.au>
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Subject: Re: Digipeating and fun with PIDs
From: Hamish Moffatt <hamish@cloud.net.au>
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 01:02:26 +1100
X-Message-Number: 3
On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 04:27:49PM -0600, Bill Diaz wrote:
>may have problems with something that you have developed. It should be
>your responsibility to ensure that your protocol and application do not
>adversely affect other users, not the other way around.
Bill, I disagree. It is every author's responsibility to be compliant
with the relevant standards. In this case, all programs should transmit
and receive legal AX.25 frames. If they use the standard APRS PID, they
should be legal APRS packets too.
If Scott transmits legal AX.25 frames with a different PID and different
higher layer protocol (not standard APRS), no problems should occur with
other software. Any problems that do occur are problems with those programs.
If we are to eventually switch protocols we will need to find those
problems anyway.
We must not discourage experimentation in amateur radio. It is more
important than mere operation.
Hamish
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Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <hamish@debian.org> <hamish@cloud.net.au>
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Subject: Re: APRS development?
From: "Steve Dimse" <k4hg@tapr.org>
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 19:16:37 +0500
X-Message-Number: 4
On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 00:57:19 +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote
>On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 04:06:21PM -0500, Mark Sproul wrote:
>>Also the X-APRS version is almost ready, just link issues to work out
>>for distribution.
>
>What will be the benefit of X-APRS over Xastir?
As grateful as I am for Xastir, being the only program that currently runs
natively under Mac OS X, the Mac/WinAPRS codebase has many features not
found in Xastir, and I am looking forward to seeing X-APRS running on my
computer.
>Obviously the benefits would need to be significant assuming that you
>intend to (a) charge for it and (b) not release the source code.
Not at all obvious to me. For me, there only needs to be some benefit, no
matter how small. Which I end up using depends on which works better for my
needs, not which has a more politically correct philosophy. I would not
suffer with a less capable program just because it is closed source. A
choice is ALWAY better! If nothing else, maybe the competition will
enourage Xastir to add those features, and in-turn, encourage Win/Mac/X
APRS to add more...
Steve K4HG
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Subject: Re: APRS development?
From: James Jefferson <jjeffers@aprsworld.net>
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 08:38:03 -0600
X-Message-Number: 5
>>What will be the benefit of X-APRS over Xastir?
>
>As grateful as I am for Xastir, being the only program that currently runs
>natively underMac OS X, the Mac/WinAPRS codebase has many features not
>found in Xastir, and I am looking forward to seeing X-APRS running on my
>computer.
Is there going to be a Darwin PPC build release of X-APRS?
-Jim
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Subject: Re: Digipeating and fun with PIDs
From: "Steve Dimse" <k4hg@tapr.org>
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 19:54:46 +0500
X-Message-Number: 6
On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 01:02:26 +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote
>On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 04:27:49PM -0600, Bill Diaz wrote:
>>may have problems with something that you have developed. It should be
>>your responsibility to ensure that your protocol and application do not
>>adversely affect other users, not the other way around.
>
>Bill, I disagree. It is every author's responsibility to be compliant
>with the relevant standards. In this case, all programs should transmit
>and receive legal AX.25 frames. If they use the standard APRS PID, they
>should be legal APRS packets too.
>
>If Scott transmits legal AX.25 frames with a different PID and different
>higher layer protocol (not standard APRS), no problems should occur
>with other software. Any problems that do occur are problems with
>those programs.
Not true at all. First, PID information is not preserved in the terminal
mode of TNCs, which is the language of the APRS Internet System. There is
no way for any program using the APRS IS to know what the PID is of any
packet appearing on the network. There is no mechanism, existant or
planned, to address this.
Most people use terminal mode, and while this new protocol means that it
might be better for people to use KISS, up until now the terminal mode
worked just fine (in applications other than digipeaters).
>If we are to eventually switch protocols we will need to find those
>problems anyway.
There are many that feel it is unnecessary and unwise to switch protocols.
I agree with finding any incompatibilites and fixing them whether a switch
is made or not. I disagree strongly that this process should be done on the
live APRS RF and Internet networks. There is no reason to risk the
functioning system, it simply isn't necessary.
By your reasoning, if you run a server that happens to have software with a
security flaw, there is nothing wrong with me using that exploit to crash
your system. You ought to have fixed the bug!
Steve K4HG
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Subject: New cgi for pcs phones
From: "Steve Dimse" <k4hg@tapr.org>
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 23:06:18 +0500
X-Message-Number: 7
This will not be useful to most people, but I have written a cgi to produce
a nice display of radar surrounding a station's current position. This is
optimized for display on my new Sprint A500 cell phone (where it looks just
awesome!), your mileage may vary! I kept the name short to make it easier
to type in on the cell phone:
http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/r?k4hg-8
Finally, real radar while I drive!
Steve K4HG
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Subject: Precision Mapping help
From: "Jacob Tennant" <k8jwt@ntelos.net>
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 13:34:56 -0500
X-Message-Number: 8
I was wondering if the ocx installs for PM3 & PM5 both work together?
Meaning I still have PM3 but going to order PM5 soon. When I installed
WinAPRS I installed the PM5 ocx, but was now thinking of try to install the
ocx for PM3 so I can use PM3 till my PM5 gets ordered.
Jacob Tennant K8JWT
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Subject: Re: New cgi for pcs phones
From: dale huguley <kg5qd@wxsvr.net>
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 13:46:13 -0500
X-Message-Number: 9
Steve Dimse wrote:
>This will not be useful to most people, but I have written a cgi to
>produce a nice display of radar surrounding a station's current position.
>This is optimized for display on my new Sprint A500 cell phone (where it
>looks just awesome!), your mileage may vary!
Thanks Steve- works great on my LG-5350. Far better than the 4 dollar
a month Weather Channel fiasco that wins the kg5qd award for the
buggiest software ever written.
73 de kg5qd Dale
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