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Subject: Re: APRS in Wyoming...
From: "Mark Fellhauer" <sparkfel@qwest.net>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:10:34 -0600
X-Message-Number: 16
At 01:33 PM 3/17/2003, Jeffrey P. Nast wrote:
>I will be acquiring a TH-D7A(G) within the next month...
>
>Wyoming APRSers, do you have any idea if there is any local 144.39
>coverage on the West side of Cloud Peak?
No local coverage, that I know of, but at those altitiudes you may be able
to hit voice repeaters that are 200 to 300 miles distant. You might be
able to hit the APRS digi in Billings, MT which is about 120 miles
away. But I wouldn't count on it.
73,
Mark
KC7BXS
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Subject: Re: APRS in Wyoming...
From: Bill Vodall <wa7nwp@jnos.org>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:42:34 -0800
X-Message-Number: 17
> *Send short email status on our well being (blister/injury reports...)
You could take an FT-817 and a Libretto. (Hardest part is convincing the
young fellows that carrying the extra weight is "fun".)
Then you could use Airmail2000 (http:www.winlink.org) and have full Email
capability.
>finding a lightweight solar battery charger and hearing about your
If I was going with a D7, I'd use two sets of good quality NiMh AA's. The
set not in the D7 could be charged directly by an appropriately sized Solar
panel held on to a backpack by a bungee cord. A panel good for 150 ma
would probably work just fine. The extra weight of a special charger isn't
needed. You'll have to look at the D7 specs and see what the full time
requirements are and size the solar panel based on that.
I have a little AA solar charger.
http://www.dyersonline.com/mirror/prods/55-9998.html
I don't think it has enough juice to charge a set of batteries in one day
under marginal conditions. Thus I'd rather have a discrete panel with 3x
the current.
I used a 5 watt ( 200+ Ma or so) solar panel to charge a 12v gel cell on an
extended bicycle trip. There were two of us and we took turns carrying the
panel to charge the batteries. We never had any power shortages.
Give us notice when you're on the trip. It'll be fun to try and bounce a
packet or two your way.
73,
Bill - WA7NWP
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Subject: Re: APRS in Wyoming ?
From: "Mark Fellhauer" <sparkfel@qwest.net>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:43:08 -0600
X-Message-Number: 18
At 02:02 PM 3/17/2003, Matthew Stennett wrote:
>I understand there are quite a few HOT SPRING, Mineral Baths
>out Wyoming way. I am VERY interesteed to see them on a map.
>Where they are in proximity to other places.
>May go out Seattle way, and would like to DIVE INTO Hot Springs!
>ROAD TRIP?!
There are hot springs all over the western US. Wyoming has about 200. I
hate to disappoint you, but most of them in Wyoming are clustered in a very
small geographic area, around Yellowstone. Many are hard to get to and/or
are closed to the public, or they're too hot to use or so cold you'd never
recognized them as a "hot" spring. Or they're so gross with muck you'd
never want to get into them...
Also I think there was mention of a Christian youth group. The clear hot
(and cold) springs in the west often attract NUDE bathers....you've been
warned.
I remember hiking up to a 'hot" spring in Arizona. The water was maybe 65
degrees, but it comes out of the spring at that temperature regardless of
outdoor temps, which can drop into the teens regularly in winter.
Arizona State University actually used to own one of the few real hot
springs in the State of Arizona (given by an Alum in trust), but it was
only open to members of the faculty and the football team (of course), In
the mid-1980's, then University President, J. Russel Nelson, sold the land
to some developer, which raised eyebrows at the time. I have no proof, but
I'm sure there was some under-the-table "personal enrichment" in that deal...
73,
Mark
KC7BXS
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Subject: Re: APRS in Hot Springs?
From: Bill Vodall <wa7nwp@jnos.org>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:19:59 -0800
X-Message-Number: 19
>There are hot springs all over the western US.
So what's the APRS symbol for a hot spring?
Sounds to me like it's time for yet another .POS position file.
Bill
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Subject: Hot Spring Symbol
From: "Matthew Stennett" <wa4tkg@iwon.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:30:05 -0500 (EST)
X-Message-Number: 20
I move they fashion it to look like an EARTHQUAKE,with a LIGHTNING BOLT
through it.....just says "PARTY" all over it.
>There are hot springs all over the western US.
So what's the APRS symbol for a hot spring?
Sounds to me like it's time for yet another .POS position file.
Bill
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Subject: Re: APRS in Wyoming ?
From: <BobDonnell@arkalmus.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:40:09 -0800
X-Message-Number: 21
>There are hot springs all over the western US.
I'd bet there are even some in Western Canada, too... ;-)
73, Bob, KD7NM
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Subject: Re: Hot Spring Symbol
From: "Pat Karp" <pkarp@conwaycorp.net>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:39:09 -0600
X-Message-Number: 22
What would the purpose of a hot spring symbol be used for during an event?
It seems that a RED spring would fit the bill.
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Subject: Re: Hot Spring Symbol
From: Bill Vodall <wa7nwp@jnos.org>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:05:06 -0800
X-Message-Number: 23
At 07:30 PM 3/17/03 -0500, Matthew Stennett wrote:
>I move they fashion it to look
>like an EARTHQUAKE,with a LIGHTNING BOLT
>through it.....just says "PARTY" all over it.
That works for me!
>Sounds to me like it's time for yet another .POS position file.
Darn distractions anyway. Not only did I get a start on the
hotsprings.pos position file, I finally got around to hooking it up to the
wiki. So now anybody can edit the page with changes.
Check it out:
http://www.jnos.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/AprsHotSprings
73,
Bill - WA7NWP
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Subject: Re: APRS settings for 10.151?
From: Bill Vodall <wa7nwp@jnos.org>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:07:59 -0800
X-Message-Number: 24
At 02:27 PM 3/17/03 +0000, Earl S. Garber wrote:
>I can't seem to find the recommended settings (path, time) for 10.151 APRS.
>Anyone here know what to use for a home station with weather?
Normally you won't use any path. "ECHO" is the equivalent of "RELAY" on
VHF but should only be used when testing or if you have critical
information that has to get out.
At least that's how it was last time I was playing on there.
Time settings is very very infrequent.
73,
Bill - WA7NWP
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Subject: Re: Hot Spring Symbol
From: "Curt Mills, WE7U" <hacker@tc.fluke.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:12:14 -0800 (PST)
X-Message-Number: 25
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Bill Vodall wrote:
>Darn distractions anyway. Not only did I get a start on the hotsprings.pos
>position file, I finally got around to hooking it up to the wiki. So now
anybody
>can edit the page with changes.
>
>Check it out:
>
> http://www.jnos.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/AprsHotSprings
cd /usr/local/xastir/maps/z_overlay
grep -i hot *.gnis | grep -i spring | sort -u
Gives you the hot springs names, counties, and lat/longs for areas
that you have a GNIS file for. I have 523 hot springs listed just
in the few files I have. Piped it to "wc -l" to count the lines.
--
Curt Mills, WE7U hacker_NO_SPAM_@tc.fluke.com
Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin
"Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math!"
"Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates!" -- WE7U
"The world DOES revolve around me: I picked the coordinate system!"
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Subject: Re: Hot Spring Symbol
From: Bill Vodall <wa7nwp@jnos.org>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:26:10 -0800
X-Message-Number: 26
>that you have a GNIS file for. I have 523 hot springs listed just
Ok, you got me by numbers, but how many of them have you warmed your buns
in? All the ones I listed, and the ones I hope others will add, are bun
warmers worthy of a visit.
It's not numbers - it's quality...
Notice that some of the web tools for using these position files are
URL smart. Put in a "http://" or "www." as part of the description
entry and it shows up as a hot link.
(Maybe we need two hot spring symbols. One for commercial springs and one
for "truly natural" destinations.)
Bill, WA7NWP
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Subject: Re: PCSAT questions
From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:32:07 -0500 (EST)
X-Message-Number: 27
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Miller Scott Contr 30SCS/FTI wrote:
>Well, I finally managed to copy a few packets on 145.825 during the last
>pass [of PCSAT]....
>
>Next question: What type of omnidirectional antenna do you find works best
>for PCSat? Eggbeater, crossed dipoles, or other? My vertical seems to be
>pretty useless above 45 degrees elevation.
Best antenna is a 1/4 wave whip over a groundplane (meaning a sheet of
metal like the roof of a car). Not a "ground plane" antenna which does
not move the lobes up like the real ground plane does...
Most mobile antennas are 5/8ths which conecntrate their gain below 15
degrees...
Bob
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