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TAPR APRS Special Interest Group Digest for Thursday, June 03, 2004.

1. W3ADO-11 UPDATE
2. Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
3. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
4. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
5. I want to be removed from email list
6. Re: Garbled status text  Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
7. Re: I want to be removed from email list
8. Re: Installing Xastir with Cygwin any RPM versions?
9. Re: Installing Xastir with Cygwin any RPM versions?
10. Re: SAR mapping support
11. Re: SAR mapping support
12. Re: Garbled status text  Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
13. Re: Garbled status text  Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
14. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
15. Re: Garbled status text  Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diam ond 6 aloft right now!
16. gpsd like application for Garmin/Garmin ?
17. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
18. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
19. Re: gpsd like application for Garmin/Garmin ?
20. Re: Garbled status text  Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diam ond 6 aloft right now!
21. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
22. Re: Garbled status text  Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diam ond 6 aloft right now!
23. Re: Garbled status text  Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diam         ond 6 aloft right now!
24. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
25. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
26. Re: Garbled status text  Re: Solar tetroon Sky =?iso-8859-1?q?Diamond 6
aloft right?= now!
27. Re: Garbled status text  Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
28. Re: Garbled status text  Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
29. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
30. OPNTRK packets and exciting position reports from Findu  RE: [apr   ssig] Re:
Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
31. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
32. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
33. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
34. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
35. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
36. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
37. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
38. Re: OPNTRK packets and exciting position reports from Findu  RE: [apr       ssig]
Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
39. Paths again  was  Re: Garbled status text  Re: Sola r tetroon Sky Diamond 6
aloft right now!
40. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
41. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
42. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
43. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
44. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
45. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
46. Re: Distributing the NMEA string from a gps
47. Re: OPNTRK packets and exciting position reports from Findu  RE: [apr ssig]
Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
48. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
49. Wifi and APRS again
50. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
51. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
52. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
53. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
54. Dynamic unproto path for land use
55. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
56. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
57. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
58. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
59. Re: OPNTRK packets and exciting position reports from Findu  RE: [apr ssig]
Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
60. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
61. Re: OPNTRK packets and exciting position reports from Findu  RE: [apr ssig]
Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
62. RE: Paths again  was  Re: Garbled status text  Re: Sola             r
tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
63. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
64. Re: Paths again  was  Re: Garbled status text  Re: Sola     r tetroon Sky
Diamond 6 aloft right now!
65. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
66. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
67. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
68. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
69. Re: OPNTRK packets and exciting position reports from Findu  RE: [apr ssig]
Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
70. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
71. Re: OPNTRK packets and exciting position reports from Findu  RE:    [apr
ssig] Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
72. Re: Dynamic unproto path for land use
73. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
74. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
75. Re: OPNTRK packets and exciting position reports from Findu  RE:  [apr
ssig] Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
76. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
77. APRS SSID's defaults
78. Re: OPNTRK packets and exciting position reports from Findu  RE: [apr ssig]
Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
79. RE: Dynamic unproto path for land use
80. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
81. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
82. Re: Dynamic unproto path for land use
83. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
84. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
85. Re: Garbled status text  Re: Solar tetroon Sky      Diam    ond 6 aloft right now!
86. Re: Garbled status text  Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diam         ond 6 aloft right now!
87. Re: Garbled status text  Re: Solar tetroon Sky      Diam    ond 6 aloft right now!
88. Modes and Frequencies
89. Re: OPNTRK packets and exciting position reports from Findu  RE: [apr ssig]
Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
90. Paths again  was  Re: Garbled status text  Re:      Sola    r tetroon Sky
Diamond 6 aloft right n
91. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
92. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
93. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
94. RE: APRS SSID's defaults
95. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
96. Balloon and Aircraft Paths
97. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
98. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
99. the group...
100. RE: APRS SSID's defaults
101. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
102. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
103. Re: Modes and Frequencies
104. Re: Garbled status text  Re: Solar tetroon Sky     Diam    ond 6 aloft right now!
105. Re: OPNTRK packets and exciting position reports from Findu  RE: [apr
ssig] Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
106. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
107. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
108. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
109.  Solar tetroon Sky Diamond - signal loss????
110. How about making OpenTrak part of APRS SPEC?
111. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
112. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
113. Re: Balloon and Aircraft Paths
114. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
115. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
116. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
117. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
118. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
119. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
120. Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!

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Subject: W3ADO-11 UPDATE
From: "David Dobbins" <ddobbinswa@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 06:42:40 -0700
X-Message-Number: 1

It appears Allen RON'd at the Stanford, MT airport, east of Great Falls
along Hwy 87. His destination today should be somewhere around Mt.
Rushmore in South Dakota. It was a joy having Allen come through the
NWAPRS region.

What a way to spend the month!

David/K7GPS
Lead Coordinator, NWAPRS
http://www.nwaprs.org
Spokane

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Subject: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
From: "Rochte, Robert" <rrochte@gpacademy.org>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:52:04 -0400
X-Message-Number: 2

We are proud to announce the launch of another solar tetroon - Sky Diamond
6!  

More details on this flight will follow...  In the meantime, progress of the
flight can be followed at:

http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?call=kc8uch-11

Regards,
Robert

--
Robert Rochte
Director of Technology
The Grosse Pointe Academy
171 Lake Shore Road
Grosse Pointe Farms, MI 48236
Tel. +1 313-886-1221 x155
FAX  +1 313-886-1418
www.gpacademy.org

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Subject: Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
From:     Jeff King <jeff@aerodata.net>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:14:12 -0400
X-Message-Number: 3

Here is a ongoing track of the flight:

http://maps.aprsworld.net/datamart/track.phtml?call=KC8UCH-11&hours=72

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Subject: Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
From: "Scott Miller" <scott@3xf.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:27:08 -0700
X-Message-Number: 4

Occasional weird status text seems to be caused by a misbehaving IGate
that's gating OpenTRAC packets.  Or perhaps it's a misbehaving TNC that's
displaying non-text packets in converse mode.  Looks like the IGate in
question is NS8E... I'll see what I can find out.

http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/rawposit.cgi?call=kc8uch-11&start=8&length=8

Scott
N1VG

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Subject: I want to be removed from email list
From: Kf6myv@aol.com
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 11:06:13 -0400
X-Message-Number: 5

Can someone help me figure out how to get off this mail list? I have sent
in multiple emails the way they suggest but it isnt removing me. This looks
like real interesting stuff but I just don't have time to read all this
right now.

HELP!

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Subject: Re: Garbled status text  Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right
now!
From: "Scott Miller" <scott@opentrac.org>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:20:33 -0700
X-Message-Number: 6

Well, that's why it's happening - but I wouldn't say it's your fault.
Properly behaving TNCs and IGate software should disregard all traffic
except PID 0xF0.  Otherwise IP, NetROM, and ROSE are going to get in there
as well anytime that traffic shows up on the channel.

Scott
N1VG

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rochte, Robert" <rrochte@gpacademy.org>
To: "'Scott Miller'" <scott@3xf.com>; "TAPR APRS Special Interest Group"
<aprssig@lists.tapr.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 7:31 AM
Subject: Garbled status text RE: [aprssig] Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6
aloft right now!

>I did set it to transmit both APRS and Opentrac packets - could that be the
>problem?
>
>73,
>Robert
>KC8UCH

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Subject: Re: I want to be removed from email list
From: Robbie - WA9INF <mwrobertson@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 10:27:25 -0500
X-Message-Number: 7

Its always worked for me. As it says, send a blank email to

leave-aprssig-22306P@lists.tapr.org

Do not type anything in the body, As soon as you click on the url at the 
bottom of every message, click on Send and that should do it..

Good luck

Robbie

Kf6myv@aol.com wrote:
>Can someone help me figure out how to get off this mail list? I have sent in
multiple emails the way they suggest but it isnt removing me. This looks like
real interesting stuff but I just don't have time to read all this right now.
> 
>HELP!

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Subject: Re: Installing Xastir with Cygwin any RPM versions?
From: "J. Lance Cotton" <joe@lightningflash.net>
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 10:28:57 -0500
X-Message-Number: 8

Curt Mills wrote:
>Well, it's really not hard to make an RPM.  I've made several.
>Problem is, you make a binary, it sits around and a few people use
>it on one particular operating system.  They rev the operating
>system.  Now your RPM may or may not work there, depending on
>whether they've changed the API on any of the libraries Xastir
>depends on.
> 
>Now, add that there are many operating systems we run on, plus
>multiple libraries that you can compile in, or not, and you get
>quite a large matrix of possible binaries that you would have to
>create.

Even better: What about generating a statically-linked version of Xastir 
with the most useful libraries included in the Xastir binary. Surely 
Shapelib (for shapefile drawing) and ImageMagick (for all those raster map 
formats) alone would provide an immensely useful setup of xastir, which 
could be available in RPM and Debian Package and wouldn't require so many 
dependencies on extra libraries on the host system...

-Lance KJ5O
-- 
J. Lance Cotton, KJ5O
http://map.findu.com/kj5o-14
joe@lightningflash.net

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Subject: Re: Installing Xastir with Cygwin any RPM versions?
From: "Curt, WE7U" <archer@eskimo.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:37:13 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 9

On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, J. Lance Cotton wrote:

>Even better: What about generating a statically-linked version of Xastir
>with the most useful libraries included in the Xastir binary. Surely
>Shapelib (for shapefile drawing) and ImageMagick (for all those raster map
>formats) alone would provide an immensely useful setup of xastir, which
>could be available in RPM and Debian Package and wouldn't require so many
>dependencies on extra libraries on the host system...

That's exactly the idea behind Linux Standard Base(LSB):  You link
dynamically to the libraries whose API isn't changing much (those
listed in the LSB), and statically link to anything else.  That way
any Linux distribution that is LSB-compatible will be able to
install/run the binary.  One downside is that the executable might
get quite a bit larger.

It would take a bit of work for us to change our autoconf/automake
stuff around to make this possible, but might well be worth the
effort.  Bring this up on the xastir-dev list and see if one of the
other developers will bite.  I'll offer to help if someone else will
spearhead it.

--
Curt, WE7U                               http://www.eskimo.com/~archer
"Lotto:    A tax on people who are bad at math." -- unknown
"Windows:  Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates." -- WE7U
"The world DOES revolve around me:  I picked the coordinate system!"

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Subject: Re: SAR mapping support
From: "Curt, WE7U" <archer@eskimo.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:27:59 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 10

On Mon, 31 May 2004, Scott Miller wrote:

>>It is completely automatic with Xastir.  Seamless topo maps,
>>seamless street maps.  Seamless street maps on top of topo or
>
>And still no 'zoom' rectangle display when you drag the mouse across the
>map!  =]  THAT I might try to write a patch for just because it annoys me so
>much.

We have that implemented now.  It'll be available via anonymous CVS
sometime today.  It'll be in the next full release as well, currently
scheduled for tomorrow.

--
Curt, WE7U                               http://www.eskimo.com/~archer
"Lotto:    A tax on people who are bad at math." -- unknown
"Windows:  Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates." -- WE7U
"The world DOES revolve around me:  I picked the coordinate system!"

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Subject: Re: SAR mapping support
From: "Scott Miller" <scott@opentrac.org>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:32:46 -0700
X-Message-Number: 11

Yay!

On the map interface thing, I'll have to go fire up ArcView and remember
what it is I like about it that Xastir doesn't have yet.

Scott
N1VG

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Subject: Re: Garbled status text  Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right
now!
From:     Jeff King <jeff@aerodata.net>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:34:53 -0400
X-Message-Number: 12

One good addition for opentrac would be the addition of dynamic digi paths 
that can be triggered via certain conditions. For example, when the balloon 
is below a certain altitude is uses "WIDE, WIDE", yet when it is above that 
altitude it doesn't use a digipeater. I imagine at 60K+ altitude, how many 
digipeaters are getting keyed up with a WIDE.
-- 
Jeff King, jeff@aerodata.net on 06/03/2004

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Subject: Re: Garbled status text  Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right
now!
From: "Scott Miller" <scott@opentrac.org>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:39:02 -0700
X-Message-Number: 13

Already done.  You can trigger on altitude, speed, battery voltage,
temperature, and jumper setting.  Each comparison can be a > or <=, and you
can select a logic AND or OR.  Plus, you can set it up to transmit when
switching profiles.  This works to report when a site switches from
generator to battery power, for example, or for a solar site to report a
'low battery' condition at a preset voltage and switch to a lower beacon
rate.

And to clarify, it's an OpenTracker feature, not an OpenTRAC feature.  I'm
going to have to change the name of the tracker one of these days - it's too
confusing.

Scott
N1VG

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Subject: Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
From: "Scott Miller" <scott@opentrac.org>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:50:06 -0700
X-Message-Number: 14

There seems to be a bit of a temperature swing - I see it ranging from
around -18 C to -9 C.  Is the sensor itself exposed to sunlight?  I'd
imagine a slowly rotating payload would cause some variation like this.
Ordinarily the temperature sensor is pretty stable, at least down to -75 C
or so.

What's the battery configuration? What radio and GPS are being used?

Scott
N1VG

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Subject: Re: Garbled status text  Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diam    ond 6 aloft right
now!
From: "Rochte, Robert" <rrochte@gpacademy.org>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:02:43 -0400
X-Message-Number: 15

>One good addition for opentrac would be the addition of 
>dynamic digi paths that can be triggered via certain conditions.

I have the Opentracker configured to use "RELAY,WIDE,WIDE" below 3k meters
and "WIDE,WIDE" above this altitude.  Haven't checked yet to see if that's
what happened, but I assume so!

-R

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Subject: gpsd like application for Garmin/Garmin ?
From: "William McKeehan" <mckeehan@mckeehan.homeip.net>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:09:10 -0400 (EDT)
X-Message-Number: 16

If I understand things correctly, gpsd works with NMEA sentences.

I am looking for something similar for Garmin/Garmin protocol.

I have a garmin unit attached to my linux box and want to connect to it. I
want to connect to the garmin unit from a remote computer. The Lantronix
Redirector seems to solve 1/2 of the problem (on the remote computer), but I
need something on the linux box to put the garmin on the net.

Any suggestions?

-- 
William McKeehan
Internet: mckeehan@mckeehan.homeip.net
http://mckeehan.homeip.net

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Subject: Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
From: "Rochte, Robert" <rrochte@gpacademy.org>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:14:25 -0400
X-Message-Number: 17

>There seems to be a bit of a temperature swing - I see it ranging from
>around -18 C to -9 C.  Is the sensor itself exposed to sunlight?  I'd
>imagine a slowly rotating payload would cause some variation like this.

The payload is housed in a clear polypropylene box (i.e., a $.97 Sterilite
box from the local Rite Aid store!).  It is likely that the sun has a clear
shot at the Opentracker board from at least a few angles through the box
(other paths are blocked by foam that is used to cushion the payload), so
that is probably the cause of the temperature variations.

>What's the battery configuration? What radio and GPS are being used?

All batteries are consumer-grade lithiums - two AAs power the GPS, three AAs
power the radio and a 9v powers the Opentracker.  GPS is a Garmin Geko 201
and the radio is a Radio Shack HTX-245 mini-HT.  Antenna is a simple wire
dipole (I'll never spend more than 5 minutes making a 2m antenna again!).

The balloon itself is identical to the SD4 tetroon that flew to NH a few
months back.  If anyone saw Mike Wendland's article about my tetroons in the
Detroit Free Press back in March, this is the tetroon that was in the
picture accompanying the article (the 3rd graders in the photo actually
helped build the tetroon!).

-R

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Subject: Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
From: Steve Dimse <k4hg@tapr.org>
Date: Thu,  3 Jun 2004 14:22:10 -0400
X-Message-Number: 18

On 6/3/04 at 7:27 AM Scott Miller <scott@3xf.com> sent:

>Occasional weird status text seems to be caused by a misbehaving IGate
>that's gating OpenTRAC packets.  Or perhaps it's a misbehaving TNC that's
>displaying non-text packets in converse mode.  Looks like the IGate in
>question is NS8E... I'll see what I can find out.
>
>http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/rawposit.cgi?call=kc8uch-11&start=8&length=8

I'm not sure why you are blaming the IGate. By definition, the IGate is
supposed to send everything it hears to the APRS IS. It is the clients that
choose whether or not to filter based on destination call.

The packets causing the problem look like:

KC8UCH-11>OPNTRK,NS8E*,WIDE,WIDE,qAS,808FCABF:>r:@*T449A>RROCHTE@GPACADEMY.ORG

This is a completely valid APRS status packet. The only thing different
from a completely normal APRS packet is that the destination is not one of
the defined ones, which makes it something Bob calls an alternate net
callsign. Infrastructure, including the APRS IS and IGates, must support
these, not filter them. Therefore all clients will see them and, at least
to some extent, parse them.

The is exactly the reason why I've argued that your protocol is
incompatible with APRS, both on the air and in the APRS IS. This particular
one does not appear to cause problems other than the garbage characters
appearing in the status text, but unless you test every possible opentrack
packet on every client (obviously impossible), you cannot be assured that
some others will not cause a buffer overrun or other serious problem.

Yes, in a perfect world, nothing bad would happen from garbage input, but
the world, and APRS specifically, are not perfect. We certainly have seen
cases where bad packets cause client programs to crash.

While I encourage your efforts at experimentation, I must renew my
objection to this being carried out on a working system with tens of
thousands of daily users!

Steve K4HG

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Subject: Re: gpsd like application for Garmin/Garmin ?
From: "Curt, WE7U" <archer@eskimo.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:22:28 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 19

On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, William McKeehan wrote:

>If I understand things correctly, gpsd works with NMEA sentences.
>
>I am looking for something similar for Garmin/Garmin protocol.
>
>I have a garmin unit attached to my linux box and want to connect to it. I
>want to connect to the garmin unit from a remote computer. The Lantronix
>Redirector seems to solve 1/2 of the problem (on the remote computer), but I
>need something on the linux box to put the garmin on the net.
>
>Any suggestions?

As I understand it, Garmin/Garmin mode is a two-way protocol, and you must
query the GPS to get positions out, to upload/download things, etc.

You can also send the wrong code and flash-erase your unit.

Sure you want to risk the units that way?  You'd be depending on more
software infrastructure between the GPS and the program that is talking to
it.  Lots of things can happen.

I know of no programs that do what you describe.

--
Curt, WE7U                               http://www.eskimo.com/~archer
"Lotto:    A tax on people who are bad at math." -- unknown
"Windows:  Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates." -- WE7U
"The world DOES revolve around me:  I picked the coordinate system!"

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Subject: Re: Garbled status text  Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diam    ond 6 aloft right
now!
From: "Scott Miller" <scott@opentrac.org>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:23:43 -0700
X-Message-Number: 20

Yeah, looks like it worked:

KC8UCH-11>APOT01,RELAY,WIDE,WIDE,qAR,W8FSM-10:/031414z4225.18N/08258.58WO141
/012/A=009705 08.2V 44C>RROCHTE@GPACADEMY.ORG
KC8UCH-11>APOT01,WIDE,WIDE,qAS,NS8E:/031415z4225.00N/08258.36WO135/016/A=009
938 08.1V 32C>RROCHTE@GPACADEMY.ORG

I think a WIDE2-2 would be better than two WIDEs, but then I'm not sure how
the network is set up in those parts.

Scott
N1VG

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rochte, Robert" <rrochte@gpacademy.org>

>>One good addition for opentrac would be the addition of
>>dynamic digi paths that can be triggered via certain conditions.
>
>I have the Opentracker configured to use "RELAY,WIDE,WIDE" below 3k meters
>and "WIDE,WIDE" above this altitude.  Haven't checked yet to see if that's
>what happened, but I assume so!
>
>-R

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Subject: Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
From: Steve Dimse <k4hg@tapr.org>
Date: Thu,  3 Jun 2004 14:25:44 -0400
X-Message-Number: 21

On 6/3/04 at 10:14 AM Jeff King <jeff@aerodata.net> sent:

>Here is a ongoing track of the flight:
>
>http://maps.aprsworld.net/datamart/track.phtml?call=KC8UCH-11&hours=72

As, of course, is this, using the new APRSworld mapserver:

http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/track.cgi?call=kc8uch-11°ree=2

(change degrees to see more or less of the track as you desire)

Steve K4HG

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Subject: Re: Garbled status text  Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diam    ond 6 aloft right
now!
From:     Jeff King <jeff@aerodata.net>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:32:02 -0400
X-Message-Number: 22


On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:02:43 -0400, Rochte, Robert wrote:

>>One good addition for opentrac would be the addition of dynamic
>>digi paths that can be triggered via certain conditions.
>
>I have the Opentracker configured to use "RELAY,WIDE,WIDE" below 3k
>meters and "WIDE,WIDE" above this altitude.  Haven't checked yet to
>see if that's what happened, but I assume so!

Yeap, that is what it is doing here, 200+ miles from me, I am hearing it 
direct as one of the strongest stations here. Here is a screen clip:

---
1:Fm KC8UCH-11 To APOT01 Via WIDE,WIDE <UI pid=F0 Len=75 
>[14:29:13]/031829z4116.77N/08121.16WO147/013/A=064221 
07.4V-09C>RROCHTE@GPACADEMY.ORG 

2:Fm KC8UCH-11 To APOT01 Via WIDE,WIDE <UI pid=F0 Len=75 
>[14:29:13]/031829z4116.77N/08121.16WO147/013/A=064221 
07.4V-09C>RROCHTE@GPACADEMY.ORG
---

But doesn't that mean every single wide, in a 300+ mile radius, is 
digipeating? Or maybe I don't understand how APRS is supposed to work.

It would seem to me, you'd want to drop all the wides above a certain 
altitude since they serve no purpose and just chew the channel up for locals, 
in particular since during drive time this thing will be at 100K feet and 
will be getting into Chicago to Pittsburg.

Don't get me wrong, glued to the screen/radio here, but was concerned about 
channel efficiency. Maybe next time.

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Subject: Re: Garbled status text  Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diam            ond 6 aloft right
now!
From: "Rochte, Robert" <rrochte@gpacademy.org>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:42:44 -0400
X-Message-Number: 23

>in particular since during drive time this thing will be at 
>100K feet and will be getting into Chicago to Pittsburg.

We're at float now, 64k feet.  If all goes well, the tetroon will lazily
float along at this altitude until about 30 minutes before sunset.  At that
time we should start to slowly lose altitude, with the descent being fully
underway by local sunset.  The payload should be on the ground by 11pm EDT
tonight.

Robert
KC8UCH

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Subject: Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
From: "Christensen, Eric" <CHRISTENSENE@MAIL.ECU.EDU>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:48:38 -0400
X-Message-Number: 24

Curious...  I saw the track went over Canadian Airspace...  What kind of
clearances do you have to get when launching that close to Canada or does
the FAA notify them on those occasions?

73s,
Eric KF4OTN
kf4otn@amsat.org

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Subject: Re: Solar tetroon Sky Diamond 6 aloft right now!
From: "Christensen, Eric" <CHRISTENSENE@MAIL.ECU.EDU>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:46:34 -0400
X-Message-Number: 25

Did someone really put up a balloon with RELAY,WIDE,WIDE as the path?!?
That is scary.  

73s,
Eric KF4OTN
kf4otn@amsat.org

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