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Subject: Re: Attn: Armchair Lawyers
From: Roger Grady <k9opo@comteck.com>
Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 17:57:21 -0500
X-Message-Number: 51
Is there a newsgroup this discussion could be moved to? Something like
alt.argue.endlessly.without.settling.anything? Or maybe
rec.argue.endlessly... since several seem to enjoy it a lot.
Roger Grady K9OPO
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Subject: Re: Attn: Armchair Lawyers
From: "Scott Miller" <scott@opentrac.org>
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 16:23:00 -0700
X-Message-Number: 52
Actually, I think USENET as a whole fits that description.
There are simulation programs out there for modeling large radio networks.
They're just not particularly easy to set up. It'd be nice if someone out
there with the expertise and time could set one up as a reasonable analog of
the APRS network. We'd be able to have some real numbers instead of just
wild-ass guesses.
Scott
N1VG
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Subject: Re: Attn: Armchair Lawyers
From: "Ken Brown" <W2KB@comcast.net>
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 20:07:19 -0400
X-Message-Number: 53
Steve,
I concur with your view. And I'm a 'real' lawyer. <g> Basically, a rule
such as the one under consideration has to be construed in light of the
rule's intent and the type and circumstances of amateur operation involved.
Excessive numbers of blind beacons from a single station in short time
intervals would likely be a violation, occasional blind beacons would likely
not. The definitions of 'excessive' and 'occasional' would vary on locale
and typical channel loading, too, I would expect. In other words, in areas
where APRS operation is light, more blind beacons per time period would be
acceptable, whereas in areas where the channel is heavily used, that same
number would be excessive. Some rules, such as prohibitions on transmitting
profanity, have bright lines; others such as what constitutes good amateur
practice do not, at least in some cases such as the rule at issue here.
73,
---Ken W2KB
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Subject: Re: Attn: Armchair Lawyers
From: "Daron J. Wilson" <daron@wilson.org>
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 17:12:54 -0700
X-Message-Number: 54
>Is there a newsgroup this discussion could be moved to? Something like
>alt.argue.endlessly.without.settling.anything? Or maybe
>rec.argue.endlessly... since several seem to enjoy it a lot.
Maybe you could try something like:
>alt.I.dont.understand.what.a.sig.is.for
or
>alt.dont.have.anything.on.topic.to.say
73
N7HQR
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Subject: Re: Slotted ALOHA
From: wes@johnston.net
Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 20:14:11 -0400 (EDT)
X-Message-Number: 55
Who coordinates the slots? That's the problem... we run amuck in anarchy.
Wes
On Mon, 03 May 2004 17:11:04 -0500, David VanHorn wrote:
>I talked to Norm about slotted aloha back in '84 or thereabouts.
>We were looking at it for networked CC terminals.
>It's pretty effective, given how simple it is.
ham callsign: kd4rdb
find me: http://wesvan.zapto.org
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Subject: Re: REVISED Updated APRS Symbols posted
From: "Spider" <spider@rivcom.net>
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 17:28:41 -0700
X-Message-Number: 56
I still do not see a proper Incident Command Symbol in your symbols.
Can you please post the changes you make?
Jim, WA6OFt
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Subject: Re: Slotted ALOHA
From: David VanHorn <dvanhorn@cedar.net>
Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 20:03:35 -0500
X-Message-Number: 57
At 08:14 PM 5/3/2004 -0400, wes@johnston.net wrote:
>Who coordinates the slots? That's the problem... we run amuck in anarchy.
It would have to be the digi, assigning them, or letting the clients take
them. If a client gets a collision (dosen't hear himself digi'd) then he
tries a different slot.
In quiet areas, everyone would pretty much sit in their slots. In a crowded
area, everyone would be trying different slots.
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Subject: Re: DAMA was mentioned here Now ALE
From: "Spider" <spider@rivcom.net>
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 19:02:57 -0700
X-Message-Number: 58
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Vodall WA7NWP" <wa7nwp@jnos.org>
To: "TAPR APRS Special Interest Group" <aprssig@lists.tapr.org>
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 1:20 PM
Subject: [aprssig] Re: DAMA was mentioned here Now ALE
>>maybe we can get them to consider ALE on HF at the same time as well...
>
>Check out the HFLINK yahoo group:
>
>---
>HFlink
>ALE. Automatic Link Establishment
This would work excellent with NVIS, btw. Not having looked at HF radios in
awhile, are there any ham radios with ALE. I know some of the $$$$$$$ Mil
radios have it.
Jim, WA6OFT
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Subject: Re: Attn: Armchair Lawyers
From: Jeff King <jeff@aerodata.net>
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 22:41:29 -0400
X-Message-Number: 59
On Mon, 3 May 2004 17:12:54 -0700, Daron J. Wilson wrote:
>Maybe you could try something like:
>
>>alt.I.dont.understand.what.a.sig.is.for
>
>or
>
>>alt.dont.have.anything.on.topic.to.say
I can see how someone might feel it is boring or drags on with no end, but
discussing network access of APRS is off topic?!?
Then again, if we can someone manage to relate this conversation to Anderson
Power Poles, I can see that holding everyone on the edge of their seat.
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Subject: Re: Attn: Armchair Lawyers
From: "Daron J. Wilson" <daron@wilson.org>
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 19:52:55 -0700
X-Message-Number: 60
>On Mon, 3 May 2004 17:12:54 -0700, Daron J. Wilson wrote:
>
>>Maybe you could try something like:
>>
>>>alt.I.dont.understand.what.a.sig.is.for
>>
>>or
>>
>>>alt.dont.have.anything.on.topic.to.say
>
>I can see how someone might feel it is boring or drags on with no end, but
>discussing network access of APRS is off topic?!?
>
>Then again, if we can someone manage to relate this conversation to Anderson
>Power Poles, I can see that holding everyone on the edge of their seat.
*LOL* hopefully you noticed that was directed at whomever was complaining
about us discussing this topic on the sig, not at you for discussing it.
That is what the sig is for.
My fiancee actually remembers me showing her how cool the power pole
concept was 6 years ago on our second date. Of course, now she's a ham, so
it was good :)
73
Daron N7HQR
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Subject: Anderson Power Poles
From: Jeff King <jeff@aerodata.net>
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 23:03:40 -0400
X-Message-Number: 61
On Mon, 3 May 2004 19:52:55 -0700, Daron J. Wilson wrote:
>>Then again, if we can someone manage to relate this conversation to Anderson
>>Power Poles, I can see that holding everyone on the edge of their seat.
>
>*LOL* hopefully you noticed that was directed at whomever was
>complaining about us discussing this topic on the sig, not at you
>for discussing it. That is what the sig is for.
Yes.. I was just trying to bring some levity to this as these things take on
a life on their own. And if you step back, and read from a distance what
everyone is saying, they all are basically saying the same thing (except they
just don't realize it yet! :-).
Who at Dayton might be selling Anderson Power Poles? I've never actually seen
one, I just remember them as a reason on more then one occasion the moderator
had to shut down a thread on here.
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Subject: Re: Slotted ALOHA
From: David VanHorn <dvanhorn@cedar.net>
Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 22:19:50 -0500
X-Message-Number: 62
At 08:03 PM 5/3/2004 -0500, David VanHorn wrote:
>At 08:14 PM 5/3/2004 -0400, wes@johnston.net wrote:
>
>>Who coordinates the slots? That's the problem... we run amuck in anarchy.
>
>It would have to be the digi,
On second thought, no it dosen't, if you use time as the slotting
mechanism. Count an interval of say 300 seconds in 5 sec intervals, and
pick any interval as your slot.
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