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Subject: RE: stir up the path pot!
From: "Curt, WE7U" <archer@eskimo.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 13:49:28 -0800 (PST)
X-Message-Number: 57
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Jeff King wrote:
>let me suggest to you another alternative,
>that is actually easier to implement, doesn't adversely affect anyone, but
>still would exert the peer pressure you are looking for.
>
> Aautomated wall of shame.
>
>That is, every packet that has excessive length, gets posted to a public WEB
>PAGE, asking everyone that views the web page to try and contact the offender
>and have him correct the problem. The wall of shame would also incorporate a
>opt-out mechanism for rural/special cases and only retain bad paths for a
>short period of time.
>
>This, coupled with a drive to modernize digi's (akin to the move to 144.39) I
>believe would be the best application of resources.
We have just that here in the Northwest region.
--
Curt, WE7U archer at eskimo dot com
Arlington, WA, USA http://www.eskimo.com/~archer
"Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math." -- unknown
"Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates." -- WE7U
"The world DOES revolve around me: I picked the coordinate system!"
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Subject: RE: stir up the path pot!
From: Jeff King <jeff@aerodata.net>
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 17:03:05 -0500
X-Message-Number: 58
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 13:49:28 -0800 (PST), Curt, WE7U wrote:
>On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Jeff King wrote:
>>A automated wall of shame.
>We have just that here in the Northwest region.
Took me a while to find it, but do you mean this:
http://www.jnos.org/nwprs_usage.html ?
BTW, my direct e-mail is bouncing to you.
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Subject: RE: stir up the path pot!
From: "Curt, WE7U" <archer@eskimo.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:22:54 -0800 (PST)
X-Message-Number: 59
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Jeff King wrote:
>On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 13:49:28 -0800 (PST), Curt, WE7U wrote:
>>On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Jeff King wrote:
>
>>>A automated wall of shame.
>
>>We have just that here in the Northwest region.
>
>Took me a while to find it, but do you mean this:
>
>http://www.jnos.org/nwprs_usage.html ?
Yea. I feel vaguely responsible for it because it grew originally out of a
perl script I wrote called aprs_hog.pl or some-such. Bill has had a lot
of fun with it and changed it into something totally unrecognizable from my
original feeble efforts. It's pretty sweet now in its current incarnation.
I think it even has the ability to attempt e-mail to the "winner".
>BTW, my direct e-mail is bouncing to you.
Try "we7u@users.sourceforge.net" or "hacker@tc.fluke.com".
--
Curt, WE7U archer at eskimo dot com
Arlington, WA, USA http://www.eskimo.com/~archer
"Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math." -- unknown
"Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates." -- WE7U
"The world DOES revolve around me: I picked the coordinate system!"
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Subject: KB5LS-1
From: "AE5PL Lists" <HamLists@ametx.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 16:24:29 -0600
X-Message-Number: 60
Will the operator of KB5LS-1 please contact me off sig at pete@ae5pl.net
Thanks.
73,
Pete Loveall
pete@ae5pl.net
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Subject: Re: OEM GPS modules
From: "Scott Miller" <scott@opentrac.org>
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:35:18 -0800
X-Message-Number: 61
>Why not use the Laipac UV-40 instead? The UV-40 is something like 1/4
>the size of the TF10, and other than that, I don't see any significant
>differences in the specs. The smaller unit still accepts an external
>antenna, you just need an adapter for the surface-mount antenna jack.
Mostly because the TF10 has a convenient SMA connector on it, and it
operates at 5 volts. I'd need to add a good sized 3.3-volt regulator to run
the UV40. As far as integration with the GPS module, I'm mostly just
considering the physical mounting requirements so I can choose a box that'll
fit both comfortably. You could always mount it in something else and
choose your own GPS.
>Offtopic: Are there any small OEM-type 2m radios that could be used
>with one of these gps modules and the upcoming surface-mount tt3 to
>create a VERY small tracker?
There's the new PocketTracker that's already got the TT3 built in. Not sure
if those are available to the general public yet. I was just looking at the
MFJ 8621 (http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/tnc/2026.html). Looks kind
of cool. I'd like to see a low-cost solar digi package with something like
this. The whole works would come in a pole-mounted box with an integrated
battery, antenna, and solar panel. Set it up with some intelligent
digipeater firmware, and you could stick them everywhere to fill in coverage
gaps.
Scott
N1VG
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Subject: Re: OEM GPS modules
From: "Stephen H. Smith" <WA8LMF2@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:36:59 -0800
X-Message-Number: 62
Adam Pirkle wrote on 3/4/2004, 12:58 PM:
>sparkfun.com sells the TF10 for $xx.xx and the UV-40 for $xx.xx, so it
>would seem that the price difference is almost negligible.
Hardly seems worth them bother to mess with these OEM modules since you
still have to deal with an external antennas. You can get integrated
receiver/antenna "mouse-type" units for $90 or so. You mount the entire
unit on the roof of the vehicle, supply 5 VDC power into the attached
cable and then take RS-232 NMEA data out of the same cable. No hassle
with coax and nasty hard-to-wire miniature microwave RF connectors at all.
Stephen H. Smith wa8lmf (at) aol.com
Home Page: http://wa8lmf.com
Ham Radio/Mobile SSTV page: http://members.aol.com/wa8lmf/ham
APRS Stuff
http://members.aol.com/wa8lmf/aprs
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Subject: Re: OEM GPS modules
From: "Curt, WE7U" <archer@eskimo.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:45:22 -0800 (PST)
X-Message-Number: 63
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Stephen H. Smith wrote:
>Hardly seems worth them bother to mess with these OEM modules since you
>still have to deal with an external antennas. You can get integrated
>receiver/antenna "mouse-type" units for $90 or so. You mount the entire
>unit on the roof of the vehicle, supply 5 VDC power into the attached
>cable and then take RS-232 NMEA data out of the same cable. No hassle
>with coax and nasty hard-to-wire miniature microwave RF connectors at all.
Fine for vehicles. I want something for SAR though. Fewer cables/smaller
the package, the better.
--
Curt, WE7U archer at eskimo dot com
Arlington, WA, USA http://www.eskimo.com/~archer
"Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math." -- unknown
"Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates." -- WE7U
"The world DOES revolve around me: I picked the coordinate system!"
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Subject: RE: stir up the path pot!
From: "Spider" <spider@rivcom.net>
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 15:51:38 -0700
X-Message-Number: 64
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christensen, Eric" <CHRISTENSENE@MAIL.ECU.EDU>
>Dang Jim! You ARE smarter than the average bear... Why didn't I think of
>that... Only thing is that we would either need to get ALL Igates to do
>this or we need to implement something at the server level. The most
>effective way would be to use this at the digi level but as I have found
>some digipeater owners are offenders as well.
If it does that, then a concerned Igate sysop can choose to not be part of
poorly managed paths.....no all of them have to do it but if you feel it's
wrong, then you can choose to not make the situation worse and not be part
of the problem. That's how I am looking at it anyway.
Jim, WA6OFT
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Subject: RE: stir up the path pot!
From: Steve Dimse <k4hg@tapr.org>
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 17:51:33 -0500
X-Message-Number: 65
Here is a good example of why arbitrary rules of maximum digi paths just
won't work, this was the second station I looked at with WIDE4 in the
packets (by using the shell command "telnet 3.aprs.net | grep WIDE4", I
doubt stations that need longer paths are that rare:
http://findu.com/cgi-bin/raw.cgi?call=N7NAT
If you look at this data, almost all of it required 3 or 4 hops to reach the
APRS Internet System. If you implement this proposal of trashing everything
longer than 2-2, this person cannot have his data on the internet.
He is a participant in APRSWxNET, so you will also be denying his data to
the National Weather Service and to the others that use the data from this
system.
Please, this is just a bad idea...you cannot enforce an arbitrary path on
all APRS local area networks.
Steve K4HG
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