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Subject: Re: Whoa, wait a minute [was: A Low-Tech APRSteward Proposal]
From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:04:12 -0500 (EST)
X-Message-Number: 6
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003, Steve Jones wrote:
Bob wrote:
>>Yes, all X,000 of them... And since it is the only fully integrated APRS
>>radio and it represents 80% of everyone mobile, and APRS is supposed to
>>serve the mobile community... It makes sense to me to make sure we dont
>>do anything stupid to mess up a good thing...
>
>And you have the stats to back up your claim?
>Around here Kenwood mobiles are not the choice of most mobile aprs'ers. I'd
>say they may run about 20%. Most are running a dumb tracker or a laptop
>based system.
Well then the dumb trackers are not going to see the SPAM bulletins to
tell them what path to use then either. So what good is the SPAM?
Yes, I have the stats. In APRSdos, everytime I hit JUST-MOBILES command,
I get a list and 80% or so of every one in the system is a Kenwood. This
is in Maryland. Yes, I will accept the fact that there may be areas with
a higher percentage of stand-alone trackers, but again, SPAM messages wont
get to them.
Oh, and I see less than 5% are actualy laptop mobile... (in my area)
de WB4APR@amsat.org, Bob
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Subject: Re: Whoa, wait a minute [was: A Low-Tech APRSteward Proposal]
From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:05:58 -0500 (EST)
X-Message-Number: 7
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003, James Smith wrote:
>Same here, there might 6 users in whole state of Indiana that use
>Kenwoods most use dumb trackers.... So the % is probably 7-8%.
So why send SPAM bulletins all day long to the 92-93% of mobiles that
can't read bulletins anyway!?
de WB4APR, BOb
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Subject: Re: Whoa, wait a minute [was: A Low-Tech APRSteward Proposal]
From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:15:11 -0500 (EST)
X-Message-Number: 8
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003, KC7ZRU wrote:
>Bob'd done a great thing in giving us APRS and ironicly has crippled his
>child by allowing the limitations of the Kenwood products to limit his
>efforts and the development of APRS.
Show me any other APRS radio that gives me front-panel APRS and I'll
support it in a heartbeat! And I'll also find ways to make sure that
short-sighted basement hackers wont destroy its functionality by
hacking away and undermining its integrity to deliver meaningful
information to the user.
How about putting some of that creative energy into geting the GARMIN RINO
onto APRS. Ill support that in a heart beat too... HAM-HUDS, TINY
TRACKERs, all of these are GREAT things! But I dont think that HAM-HUD
users want to receive SPAM on their mobiles either...
>Enough's enough.
>Let's continue being what we are. Radio Amateurs, not "Circuit City"
>customers - let's experiment, design and impliment improvements and
>inovation. If an applicance product can't keep up - well, that's
>evolution baby.
So you want a mobile communications device to receive greater volumes
of SPAM? and you call that progress?
>If I've offended anyone - sorry. Just figured it was time for someone to
>once again, stand up and become the target and say what so many are
>thinking.
I hope that others are not thinking so narromindedly and ignoring the
mobile user and his needs...
de WB4APR, BOb
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Subject: Re: A Low-Tech APRSteward Proposal [was: SMART digi paths]
From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:21:24 -0500 (EST)
X-Message-Number: 9
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003, Gregg G. Wonderly wrote:
>think its time to have some people live up to the responsibilities that our
>licensing dictates. If people want to be destructive, that can happen. The
>Opentracker could also provide a switch to disable auto configured paths for
>the paranoid to use. But, I think that we are getting to the point in network
>use that the digipeater system must be in control of the transmitters in the
>network, or we'll never be able to adequately control the network use.
Yes, that is what the "take control of your digi, new n-N paradigm" is all
about. It controls flooding by network design, yet does not inhibit the
user from using whatever path he needs when he needs it to get from point
A to point B, and to do it in a deterministic manner.
de Wb4APR, Bob
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Subject: Re: 0 channel load APRS Steward (New concept)
From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:42:29 -0500 (EST)
X-Message-Number: 10
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, John Kraus wrote:
>the beacon and status strings of the digi to provide a suggestion for MAX
>routine path length in hops.
>Raw packet: KC4ZGQ-2>APND0X,WIDE,qAo,KC4ZGQ-10:!3257.84ND08348.48W#THREE
>HOPS MAX ROUTINE PATH
This will show on the Kenwood mobile just fine but will show up on Kenwood
HT as:
+---------------+ I'd suggest +---------------+
| ## KC4ZGQ-2 | | ## KC4ZGQ-2 |
| THREE HOPS | | 3 HOPS MAX |
| MAX ROUTI | | Please... |
+---------------+ +---------------+
>
>The original packets are filled with redundant information. The Icon and
>TOCALL show the digi type so there is no need for this in the text. The
>LAT/LONG show where it is so the location as MACON is redundant as well.
You bet! We have unbelievably verbose packets on the air...
>The new texts provide me an opportunity to communicate useful information
>to the end user of the system. The benefit to putting this in the BTEXT of
>the digi is that the user can read it from any receive capable client or
>from findu without having to look for it.
Yep, we need more of this kind of thinking...
>Personally I think we need to agree on a maximum length for a routine posit
>as a national standard.
There always has been. I think it is 37 characters of text. Only problem
is that WinAPRS refused to accept that standard. The standard for STATUS
is womthing like 67 characetrs (though Kenwoods only display 64)...
de WB4APR, Bob
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Subject: Re: Whoa, wait a minute [was: A Low-Tech APRSteward Proposal]
From: Steve Jones <s.jones@rogers.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:38:46 -0500
X-Message-Number: 11
on 10/27/03 9:15 AM, Bob Bruninga at bruninga@usna.edu wrote:
>How about putting some of that creative energy into geting the GARMIN RINO
>onto APRS. Ill support that in a heart beat too... HAM-HUDS, TINY
>TRACKERs, all of these are GREAT things! But I dont think that HAM-HUD
>users want to receive SPAM on their mobiles either...
Compared to some of the crap already floating around, I wouldn't mind
receiving these types of messages on my Hamhud.
There might be a better way of communicating this info but restricting
ourselves because of the limitations of one manufacturers product is
detrimental to the advancement of the hobby.
--
Steve <s.jones@rogers.com>
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Subject: Re: [Kenwood] Power Supply ?
From: Glenn Wiebe <gswiebe@mb.sympatico.ca>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:21:28 -0600
X-Message-Number: 12
I too used the Astron RS-35M trouble free until this summer with my
TS-440S. I purchased both new in 1988. This year the ps finally gave up the
ghost - it blows the fuse when I turn it on. Not knowing how to fix it and
needing a replacement like right now I purchased the Astron SS-30M. 1/4 the
weight and 1/2 the size. It's a switching type of course. Will it last 15
years too? I dunno.
Glenn...VE4GN
Darrell Drake wrote:
>
>Bob....
> You can't go wrong with an Astron RS-35M P/S.
>Cheers....
>Darrell,
>VA3DG/VE3DDG
>
>>Hi Guys
>>
>>Can you recommend a PS for my 850 that's on it's way?
>>
>>thx,
>>
>>bob
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Subject: Re: Whoa, wait a minute [was: A Low-Tech APRSteward Proposal]
From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:28:30 -0500 (EST)
X-Message-Number: 13
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Steve Jones wrote:
>Compared to some of the crap already floating around, I wouldn't mind
>receiving these types of messages on my Hamhud.
>
>There might be a better way of communicating this info but restricting
>ourselves because of the limitations of one manufacturers product is
>detrimental to the advancement of the hobby.
How many bulletins do you want to have to go through each time you get in
the car? You tell us.
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Subject: Re: Whoa, wait a minute [was: A Low-Tech APRSteward Proposal]
From: "Eric Christensen" <kf4otn@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:55:59 -0500
X-Message-Number: 14
Is there a current push to have Kenwood upgrade the firmware in the D700s
and the D7As? It shouldn't be that hard to do a chip upgrade, IMO.
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