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                      Radio has its eye on podcasters
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Podcasters have already inspired conventional radio stations to evolve.

But  their podcasts  will increasingly  be on  the radar  of traditional  radio
broadcasters as fertile grounds to feed the desire for new talent, and ideas.

Both the BBC and Virgin will watch what podcasters do, learning from them, just
as podcasters learned from radio.

"It won't  be too  long before  this [podcasting]  becomes the  normal route to
discover new talent," says Chris Kimber, head of BBC Radio Interactive.

He was just one  of more than 100  podcasters at Europe's inaugural  podcasting
conference, in London - PodcastConUK.

Podcasts are like radio shows done by anyone with a microphone, high-speed  net
connection and a computer. The shows  are put online for anyone to  download or
subscribe to. It is barely a year old.

It is a phenomenon  that could have been  a big threat to  conventional radio's
business because suddenly they were  not the only ones making  and distributing
programmes.

Instead, it is being  seen as a big  opportunity, for both "professionals"  and
"amateurs", according to both the BBC and Virgin Radio.

Even  those distinctions  might have  to change  soon, given  its impact.  "The
phrase 'amateur podcaster'  should be banned,"  thinks James Cridland,  head of
strategic development at Virgin Radio.

Not just about control
----------------------
Podcasting has exploded not just because  it gives people more control of  what
they want to listen to, when they  want to or because, once subscribed to,  the
latest shows are delivered automatically to digital music players.

Neither is it because podcasts let people listen to the bits within  programmes
that they want to, whizzing through the dull bits.

"A few months ago, you could  guarantee that everyone listening to an  iPod was
not listening to radio," explains the BBC's  Mr Kimber, who says it is part  of
its job to introduce mass audiences to podcasting.

"It was excluded from iPods."

Now, those easily identifiable white ear plugs might be piping through a  radio
show.

That, says Mr Kimber, could have posed a big threat to radio since there are 21
million iPods on the loose.

According to Virgin's Mr Cridland, 41% of its online radio users own a portable
digital music player - 32% of them have iPods, and 68% own "something else".

The  trend for  portable programmes  giving people  the freedom  to take  their
programmes out and  about with them  to listen to  on portable devices  is only
part of the story.

The other  key to  its appeal,  say the  BBC and  Virgin, is  about netting new
audiences and opening people's ears to new programmes.

"That audience is maybe people who  don't listen to Virgin radio but  bump into
us in a podcast," explains Mr Cridland.

Mr Kimber  says podcasting  introduces to  programmes they  would never usually
listen to. That obviously includes bumping into the shows that are not  related
to traditional broadcasters too.

In an online survey, 18% of the Virgin listeners said they first heard shows on
a medium other than "radio", said Mr Cridland.

"Bumping into us  on a non-traditional  platform is very  important to us,"  he
says.

So too  is the  value, which  Mr Cridland  says Virgin  has recognised,  in the
ability to listen to past shows.

Restoring radio's heart?
------------------------
To  mainstream  radio  production  powerhouses  such  as  the  BBC  and Virgin,
podcasting is seen to be "putting the heart back into radio".

To most podcasters outside of mainstream media, it is about having a much  more
level playing field which means that  anyone with a microphone, computer and  a
broadband connection can be a creator and distributor of content.

Podcasting, says Mr  Kimber, focuses attention  much more on  the content of  a
show, now that the ability to make and distribute shows has been prised out  of
main media's clutches.

It is clear that podcasting has really  shaken up the radio world. But are  the
powerful media outlets intent on re-claiming that power, or are they  genuinely
interested in listening to the average Joe on the street?

"It is a chance  for the 'little guy'  to reach the top  of the tree," says  Mr
Cridland.

Podcasting's popularity,  which has  been boosted  by the  inclusion of podcast
directories in iTunes,  means that traditional  radio has to  resist resting on
its laurels because there is suddenly a lot more serious competition.

In the  short term,  thinks Mr  Kimber, this  is likely  to affect the types of
programmes that get commissioned for the BBC radio output.

Just as video on mobile requires  new thinking about what kinds of  programmes,
show lengths, quality and so on, so do does podcasting.

The way in which the UK's traditional radio networks "does" podcasting, in  the
majority of cases, is by chopping out unusable bits, such as licensed music and
news or time stamps, to make them stand alone as podcasts.

There are sometimes issues with taking  these shows out of a wider  programme's
context.

In the  longer term,  says Mr  Kimber, the  quality of  what listeners get from
conventional radio will improve, partly because of podcasting's impact and  its
novel ideas about what and who people want to listen to.

This  is already  evident in  BBC Radio  Five's Pods  and Blogs  show which  is
specifically produced as a podcast.

At PodcastConUK, Mr  Cridland announced that  Virgin's new unsigned  band show,
Virgin Radio Extreme, had been created with podcasting at its heart.

The entire show, because  it features unsigned bands  eager for exposure, is  a
podcast.

Another newly-announced show features  the best of the  old and new shows  that
have been broadcast on  Virgin. There is a  possible Vic Reeves podcast  in the
works too.

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