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Tomi and Paul - thanks for some very intelligent comments
(for a change) - and I think that is it in a nutshell.
Many of us are miffed not only at the QRM, but the fact that our
ham bands are being mis-used as a common carrier for
a commercial activity.
On the other hand I WOULD Like to see how 20 kHz can be used,
specially if there is an application ( which I have yet to hear about!)
If there is some emergency usage or something that demands high
speed data on HF then let it begin on 60 metres and maybe one
other FIXED frequency (though NO ONE Is going to want this
in their favourite band segment!) and maybe eventually if there is
experimentation allowed on one fixed frequency in 60 metres,
and then try it for emergencies only, maybe it will later prove useful
for digitized audio or video or something.
I just don't see plonking such a signal in the midst of a busy band
right now.
I would hate to see AM and SSB completely done away with on HF.
But maybe that will be the trend.
Good to toss it around with someone a bit more intelligent anyway!
On 10 Mar 2005 at 6:13, Paul L Schmidt wrote:
> Tomi Manninen wrote:
> > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> >>I'd say that any experimentation trumps ragchewing anyway, which is
> >>what the regular CW and phone operators are doing. (Sorry if you
> >>don't want to hear this).
> > Seconded.
>
> Thirded? (Apologies to Robert's Rules of Order)
>
> >>On the other hand I'm not in favour of establishing *services* on
> >>HF. For example I'm not happy about Winlink being on HF amateur
> >>bands.
> > Seconded!
>
> Thirded, with an additional comment --
>
> We aren't "in the business" of being a common carrier; we aren't
> "in business" at all - which is why it's AMATEUR radio. On the
> other hand, we DO need to have (and have a long history of doing
> so) established "networks" running.
>
> What a "network" is has changed over time -- from back in the
> days when that meant relaying a CW message from station to
> station for long-haul communications, to the era of voice
> traffic nets, to the era of the VHF packet systems, and so on.
>
> Where are we now? Where does the Winlink system fit in? Where
> do the old-fashioned traffic nets fit in?
>
> Our "business" is in establishing CAPABILITIES. Historically,
> many of these capabilities have proven themselves valuable in
> times of emergency, and frequently have been proven valuable
> enough for adoption by the commercial world. The things that
> were at one time the domain of the hard-core fringe experimenters on
> ham radio are now considered essential commercial services.
>
> Winlink -- and in particular PACTOR II and PACTOR III -- have
> actually REVERSED this trend. Instead of a new capability being
> developed by ham radio ops, a commercial product -- one that is
> restricted by commercial patents and CAN'T be freely replicated
> by experimenting hams -- has come into the ham bands.
>
> What is our business model for survival of the amateur service?
>
> If it's using our licenses, our frequencies, and our reputation
> as a marketing opportunity for the vendors of proprietary products,
> we'd might as well call it quits.
>
> If it's developing newer and better publicly available, OPEN SOURCE,
> non-patent-encumbered means of communicating... we might just be able
> to succeed with the plan.
>
> My two cents...
>
> 73,
>
> Paul / K9PS
>
>
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