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VK2AAB > FUEL     15.11.07 05:46l 35 Lines 1641 Bytes #999 (0) @ WW
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Subj: Re: Fuel for thought
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Frank G4ETZ made comment on ethanol from sugar cane.
Yes, it is very practical to make  ethanol from sugar cane and in fact  sugar
cane is one of the best crops to use for ethanol.
Brazil of course uses more probably than any other country.

But, notice how there is always a  "but" in this business, there is still the
difficulty with the Energy Return on  Energy Invested. It is similar to  that
from the Canadian Tar sands but it has the disadvantage that it cannot be put
through pipelines due to corrosion  problems. This pushes up the distribution
costs. It has the advantage that it does not need enormous amounts of natural
gas to produce it but the  processing plants do use significant energy in the
process.

It provides  less milage  than petrol  and requires  large amounts  of oil or
natural gas  based fertiliser.  The tractors  used in  the cultivation of the
crop use diesal and the transport of the fuel reqires specially designed road
and rail tankers. Not that would  be a problem but the costs  in transporting
it from Northern Queensland or Wesrern Australia to Sydney, Mebourne or Perth
would not be insignificant.
It  does raise  the question  of can  the rail  system cope  with such  large
shipments when the switch from long distance road transport to rail transport
will be happening at the same time.

I know that at present the freight  on the Northern line is at near  maximium
capacity as it has to stop in  peak hours and is held back at Newcastle until
the end of the evening peak hour.  Then they go all night.

As I said lots of buts.

73 Barry VK2AAB



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