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KB2VXA > FUEL     19.01.10 07:33l 45 Lines 2279 Bytes #999 (0) @ WW
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Hi Pete and all,

These days gas bags aren't atop cars, they're IN cars! Oh I just couldn't 
resist. <smirk> Then when it comes to coal gas (not hot air this time) 
you've heard the Biblical expression "fire and brimstone", leave it to 
coal to produce both under oxygen deprivation. That brings me around to 
Centralia, or actually Shamokin (sp?) where the fire started. Standing 
directy above the mine entrance I witnessed fumaroles like those on the 
side of a volcano and sure enough, fire and brimstone. At the surface 
where the gasses cool quickly the rim of the fumarole is lines with 
sulfur crystals ranging from white to a deep orange, almost black. Pretty 
stuff but extreme care must be taken if you want to collect some, I said 
the gasses cool but they're still hot enough to char wood.

Now you mentioned gas turbine cars of the 60s, here's some more first 
hand information. GM produced 50 prototypes and exhibited one of each 
current model at the New York World Fair, then distributed the 50 around 
the country in a real life on road beta test. Being used to the muscle 
cars of the period drivers hated them due to accelerator lag and "poor 
acceleration". What they never considered is the fact these are normal 
charateristics of jet engines, when they wid up they go like a bat out of 
hell but it takes a while to get there. So what's the difference between 
a gas turbine and a jet? Essentially none where the engine is concerned, 
only how power is delivered to the action/reaction equation, thrust or 
wheels. I think there may be a handful of those extremely rare classic 
cars still around, not sure but I remember seeing a picture article on 
one somewhere, somewhen.

BTW, cars weren't the only ones, the Union Pacific Railroad experimented 
with gas turbine locomotives but the hot exhaust proved problematical. 
Earlier on one of the roads experimented with steam turbines, being my 
memory isn't all that sharp Google would be helpful. Speaking of which, 
you just might find the Volkswagen somebody outfitted with a jet engine...
"only in California".

73 de Warren

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