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SOMETHING LACKING ?
I feel that there must certainly be something lacking in Andy G0FTD's
understanding of what really does go on.
I note the following from one of his bulletins:-
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" > For your information, Andy, the Australian contingent included one >
amateur member, the rest being boffins from other services.
Boffins ? How can they be boffins if they had *supposedly* done their
homework for the ACA and come up with an answer to support NO CHANGE in
Region 1's 40m allocation but then changed their minds ?
To be so easily swayed must have meant that these so called "boffins"
did'nt (sic) have a clue in the first place. "
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How high handed, patronising and insulting can you get!
This just shows that Andy doesn't seem to have a clue as to what
international representation and negotiation at higher levels is about.
I also doubt that there would have been any such intent as inferred by
Andy. Further, it would be the responsibility of Region 1 officials to
ensure that their interest were properly understood.
(Note further comment below on some aspects along these lines.)
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" > Note too that they changed their stance after discussion.
But it took everyone else to tell them they were wrong. That should never
had been needed if the "Boffins" were so sure of their facts :-) "
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What rubbish! Each country goes to the WRC with their own views in mind.
It is a normal aspect of working at these conferences that groups (working
parties) are set up so as to allow the various delegates to "thrash out" a
main basis for general agreement on specific matters.
The set up of the working parties is done so as to allow those with
particular expertise to contribute their capabilities towards a final,
overall, best possible result from the conference(s).
In the normal course of these deliberations those involved are given the
opportunity to present their various cases and views. From this can come
the recommendations to the main body of the conference formed in such a
way as to be most likely to benefit the majority.
Again, you may note that this is done on an "agreement" basis.
It should also be noted that, even where a particular item does not suit a
party to the conference, that the particular country concerned can ask
that a special "footnote" be applied so as to indicate that the country
will conduct its affairs in a manner outside of the general agreement(s)
involved.
Over the years, many countries have followed this approach and many
footnotes have been applied in such a manner.
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" > You are becoming very heavy!!
I don't believe I am.
I'm having a general discussion about some facts.
Why is it that when ever anyone starts talking about the nitty gritty or
trying to grasp the nettle by the hand everyone runs off to hide in the
corner to let the status quo fester ? "
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What waffle! And certainly not inclined towards any reasonable
understanding of negotiation, particularly on an international level etc.
It does, however, require at least some basic knowledge as to how the
system works and some understanding of the major difficulties that
can/could exist towards reaching a practical conclusion to so many
matters.
There are even some things far more complex than just the technicalities
of radio-communication to be considered. Remember that you are dealing
with a disparate number of countries with varying situations and
viewpoints.
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" I'm sure Bob, like myself and other honest citizens that you strive to
make those who make the rule and influence our lives accountable and
tranparent (sic) as the rest of us are expected to be ?
I see no harm in debating the facts that are just that. "
__________
Maybe an idealistic and simplistic approach, but certainly not practical
in the context of the discussion.
Can you begin to try and understand the difficulties of dealing with such
a wide range of disparate views that can exist in such an international
forum?
Remember that for years we have had to deal with the issues existing
between East and West; the problems involving emerging and "third world"
countries as well as the various renegade states that exist and are party
to the conference, and the possibility of agreements to be reached between
same.
There are also many other forms of "blocs" and vested interests that can
become involved.
Just one example that affected Amateur Radio, and other operations, for
many years is when the Russian delegations refused to accept rulings that,
if agreed to by them, would not have allowed them to operate their
experimental HF radar systems. (i.e. the "Russian Woodpecker".)
Even so. IF they had signed an agreement such as to accept that the
"Woodpecker" was outlawed, how on earth do you enforce the situation if
they still go ahead and ignore the decision(s) of the conference?
As it was, the USSR delegates virtually thumbed their noses at the rest of
the ITU world, insofar as this matter was concerned, and we were at the
mercy of the "woodpecker" operators on many occasions.
Remember also, that other services, apart from Amateur Radio, suffered
from the "woodpecker" problem.
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" If the Australian contingent had got their way, it would have affected
*MY* licence and *MY* enjoyment of the hobby, not to mention tens of
thousands of others in Region 1. "
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I am really impressed by the *MY* approach apparent here. Very much a
symptom of the "US" versus "THEM" syndrome.
Nonsense! It has already been pointed out that the system just does not
work in a way that would usually allow results of this nature.
Furthermore, Australia is not a "Bullying" type country.
What is more; Any delegation would be placed under extreme pressure from
most other delegations were it to try and follow such a line.
The amount of lobbying that is involved concerning many of the actions at
such a conference would have to be experienced to be understood and
appreciated.
Matters of diplomacy are also not an unknown and ignored feature.
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" Could not the WIA have tried to exert some influence to ACA delegates
BEFORE they arrived ? Or does the WIA have little influence with the ACA
?" __________
I suggest that you know little about the workings of the WIA and its
liaison with the Australian Federal Government authorities, including the
ACA.
The WIA works in the interests of Amateur Radio and, as well as keeping
the interests of the Australian Amateur Radio operators in mind, does its
best to benefit the hobby on an overall basis.
This includes recognition of the fact that the there are no borders as far
as "radio waves" are concerned.
Furthermore, The WIA maintains strong representation to the International
Amateur Radio Union (IARU) and is constantly working within the Region 3
IARU and relevant conferences towards betterment of conditions for the
Amateur Radio Service as a whole.
Beyond that, there is the organised liaison within the IARU to try and
ensure good overall representation for ALL regions.
You might note that top level positions within the IARU, on both a
regional and international basis, are occupied by Australian Amateur Radio
operators.
These are people who have had a great deal of experience over the years in
the workings of both the IARU and the ITU conferences.
This certainly requires a great deal of effort and dedication to the task,
including constant liaison and negotiation with all the relevant
authorities.
On top of this, you may note that the RSGB is a member of the IARU and as
such owes to its members the responsibility to ensure that their interests
are looked after.
Surely the RSGB through the IARU would involve itself in efforts to ensure
that a proper understanding exists throughout the organisation as to the
needs of Region 1 members.
Don't start trying to blame either the Australian Federal authorities or
Australian Amateur Radio operators in such a way as you seem to be intent
in pursuing. The facilities exist to deal with such matters.
If that were not so, on a general basis, there would never be anything
organised to prevent total chaos right throughout the RF spectrum.
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" And Bob, stop thinking I'm having a go at you or Australian amateurs -
I'm not.
- Andy - "
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There certainly has not seemed to have been too much of a differentiation
based on your general approach.
Regards,
Ian
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73 de Ian, VK5QX
@ VK5LZ.#ADL.#SA.AUS.OC
17 July 2003
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