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DT: Saturday, August 18th., 2012 @1828hrs EST <JPST>
<<< Quoting G0TEZ to FOOD @WW >>>
> From : G0TEZ To : FOOD @WW
> Type/Status : B$ Date/Time : 18-Aug 14:55
> Bid : CE0080G0TEZ Message # : 76224
> Title : RE: VXA's Pizza and Fish
>
> Earlier today after ereding Warrens bull and some others,
> I turned to my etymological dictionaries to see if they could
> shed any light.
Hello Ian and others reading along....
I see from Asia to the Americas a form of simple bread was
sooner or later developed from some source, and perhaps it
is coincidence that they did it local based upon, well need
and a cook with a great imagination.
> To my surprise, even the most modern, updated 1980 didn't
> have pizza, pasta or paella. The only Italiam dish it had was
> spagghetti.
Perhaps they didn't see a need as packet radio seems to need
to counter the resident of Florence Italy, I had the opportunity
in my life to meet. I know after her husband passed, she went
often between Canada and Italy, but what a most pleasant lady
and accomplished cook. Unfortunately, I was never able to get
invited for spaggetti.
> I took a look at my latin dictionary, without much hope as I have
> already said that modern Italian is a long way from Latin, in
> fact latin does not have a letter 'z' or 'y' except in Greek
> loan words. The nearest word to 'cook' was Pistor = a miller
> or breadmaker. Could be a clue there.
Maria has told me often , that Portuguese is based upon Latin
and yes, she mentioned no "Y".
When you mentioned Pistor as a definition for a cook, I see as far
back as 1522 the chef or Pizza maker was called "pizzoili"
> A quick look at Greek, checking the spelling with Eta,Iota and Epsolon
> compounds, showed no words remotely resembling pizza.
They shouldn't show anything looking like the word we know "pizza",
but then they would know of something like it. After all they are
in the Med area....aren't they.
This is an addon, and they <Greeks> called it "Plankuntos" and I
added something I got from reading.... that the idea of using
bread as a plate, as one would use the pizza crust with toppings.
> So it is a mystery. There are a lot of flat breads in many countries,
> not just around the mediterranean, e.g. pappadum and paratas from
> former India
Former India? What's it called now? Arab ships since long back as
well Chinese traders have touched the shores of India. They would
do that entire trade route West side of India, from Arab countrys to
Africa, and India and elsrwhere ... As on the East Coast of India,
well there the sky is the limit, with the cultures east of India.
> I can only conclude that pizza etc; are new world imports.
Roman scribes decsribe , somehwre between 234-149BC people in the
empire eating a flat round dough bread dressed with olive oil
and herbs, honey and baked on stone.
OR
1522, pizza was listed as a specialty of the house in Naples.
Naples was settled by Greeks, thus they would bring their foods
with them. BTW Pompei was a close neighbour.
Heres a good one, thanks to a source in Italy, that the EU has
ruled that in order to serve REAL Naplepolitan Pizza from Naples
the toppings have to be " San Marzano Tomatoes" " Buffalo Mazzeralla
Cheese" and that is now law to protect it, from the slop from the
new world imports....which are?
First mention of "pizza" is pre and certainly 12 century.
> Enough! my tired old eyes are strained from readin and I just don't care.
>
> 73 - Ian, G0TEZ @ GB7CIP
>
> Message timed: 15:53 on 2012-Aug-18
> Message sent using WinPack-Telnet V6.80
>
> [End of Message #76224 from G0TEZ]
OK Ian. You conclude what you want, in regards to Pizza and it's
origins, and if it is a New World Import. then ...aah you are welcome
to it. It looks like something sick on toast, but then thats why
Mrs. Scagilione showed me, and thats why unfortunately I posted it
to packet.
I really don't care either. Stupid to carry on .... I wish sometime
I could remember of the types of simple to make breads and spreads I've
enjoyed in places I have been and the wonderful people I have met.
Right oh ! Enough
73 Pete VE3WBZ
"Tagline: David G4EBT was right about Packet dumbing down! "
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