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ZL1ANM > HELP     06.04.07 04:57l 63 Lines 2374 Bytes #999 (0) @ WW
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>From: K0CQ@W0AK.#CIA.IA.USA.NA
>To  : HELP@WW
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>The  J is nothing more than a 30s era end fed Zeppelin  with  the
>feed  line in line with the antenna.

Depends what your definition of "feed line" is.  The J-pole's
quarter-wave matching stub is really a matching device with one
end shorted and with a tappable feed point.  Is this the normal
configuration for a feed line?  Its dimensions, except for its
length, are uncritical, unlike a true transmission line where
the spacing, conductor diameters (and dielectric) determine the
line's characteristic impedance.


>Since the feed line  section
>is  balanced it doesn't radiate much (almost not at all).  Its  a
>shorted  quarter  wave  resonator fed near the  shorted  end.  It
>connects to the end of a half wave dipole where the impedance  is
>very  high.  Since that connected load is high  that's  not  much
>different from the open on the other side so its pretty close  to
>balanced.

Yes, although I think you're confusing the issue by continuing to
refer to the quarter-wave stub as a feed line.
 

>The  J (pole) was used in the 1930s on VHF, its not new,

I find no reference to the J-pole, or its method of feed under some
other name, in either my 1936 or 1963 ARRL Handbooks.  The earliest
reference I have is a detailed description of it in my ARRL Antenna
Book, 1974 Edition, pp 226-227 and 246-247.  If you have an earlier
source, I'd be pleased if you would quote the reference.


>Its  not
>all that good because it doesn't decouple the feed line from  the
>antenna  so  it  lets quite a bit of RF run  down  the  coax  and
>radiate like a really long wire looking radiation at the  horizon
>when used at VHF.

The matching stub is balanced (as you yourself pointed out in an
earlier paragraph, above) and should really be fed with a balanced
feeder such as 300-ohm ribbon or 600-ohm spaced feeder, or via a
balun to 50-ohm coax.  However many including myself, feed direct
with 50-ohm coax on 2m with very good results.


>You  asked,  "Can it work?" Yes it can, it has for at  least  3/4
>century.

I've never seen any reference to a horizontally orientated J-pole.
Let's hear from experimenters about their results.  I don't have
a backyard big enough.

73 de Neil ZL1ANM
 
                                                                     T4 1.5à24


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