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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 00 22:09:58 MET
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From: pa2aga@pe1mvx.ampr.org
To: hd_broadcast@pa2aga.ampr.org
X-BBS-Msg-Type: B
"Eric S. Johansson" <esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us> wrote in message
news:u8zsdbd4f.fsf@harvee.billerica.ma.us...
> "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@swb.net> writes:
> > Is this how LandLine Lids such as yourself decide it's "OK" to transmit
> > commercial content (and porno, etc) from the Internet over the Ham
bands?
>
> man, you are so obsessed with porn. If this is representative of the
> old school of packet, then I say, let it die.
>
What you are actually seeing is related to Amateur Radio in a general sense.
We don't conduct business on Ham Radio. No commercials, no "cashing in" on
the air, and most certainly no indecency there.
We all know what's on the Internet, and all Hams who have a clue about the
hobby know that 90% or more of what you find there is inappropriate for the
Ham bands. Only a moronic LandLine Lid would have a problem understanding
that, and go on to promote the use of Amateur Radio for casual Internet
access.
I don't think Ham Radio is going to die, but I do see where the "LandLine
Lid" mentality will not last long in the hobby. As more and more Hams come
to understand the fact that LandLine Lids are willing to toss the essential
decency of Ham Radio for the most trivial and self-serving of purposes,
being a "LandLine Lid" takes you further and further beyond the pale. -
Exactly where you belong.
Get a CB radio, if you can't understand or abide common decency. Your kind
has already had their way there. Go where you belong, with all your "good
buddies". No rules! Go for it.
--
73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
n5pvl@swbell.net
http://home.swbell.net/n5pvl/
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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:44:43 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: APRS Operating Question
"Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@swb.net> wrote in message
news:mwwA5.1566$zG1.78440@nnrp3.sbc.net...
>
> "Eric S. Johansson" <esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us> wrote in message
> news:u8zsdbd4f.fsf@harvee.billerica.ma.us...
> > "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@swb.net> writes:
> > > Is this how LandLine Lids such as yourself decide it's "OK" to transmit
> > > commercial content (and porno, etc) from the Internet over the Ham
> bands?
> >
> > man, you are so obsessed with porn. If this is representative of the
> > old school of packet, then I say, let it die.
> >
>
> What you are actually seeing is related to Amateur Radio in a general sense.
> We don't conduct business on Ham Radio. No commercials, no "cashing in" on
> the air, and most certainly no indecency there.
>
> We all know what's on the Internet,
You mean stock prices, literature, technical information, hobby sites,
how-to sites, the Olympics, newspapers, magazines, Sesame Street,
Ty (beanie babies), solar and ionospheric conditions, dictionaries (oh,
wait, they *might* have some *bad* words in them), et al ad nauseum.
Might be some porn somewhere, I've never run across any in my 20+ years
"on the net". Maybe that is because I don't go looking for it ...
> and all Hams who have a clue about the
> hobby know that 90% or more of what you find there is inappropriate for the
> Ham bands.
Eh?
> Only a moronic LandLine Lid would have a problem understanding
> that, and go on to promote the use of Amateur Radio for casual Internet
> access.
Total nonesense.
> I don't think Ham Radio is going to die, but I do see where the "LandLine
> Lid" mentality will not last long in the hobby. As more and more Hams come
> to understand the fact that LandLine Lids are willing to toss the essential
> decency of Ham Radio for the most trivial and self-serving of purposes,
> being a "LandLine Lid" takes you further and further beyond the pale. -
> Exactly where you belong.
What any ham station transmits is the responsibility of it's control operator,
with the specific exception for cetain activies involving BBS systems.
i.e. it is up to the individual ham to decide what his radio should transmit.
> Get a CB radio, if you can't understand or abide common decency. Your kind
> has already had their way there. Go where you belong, with all your "good
> buddies". No rules! Go for it.
One person's "common decency" is another person's "censorship".
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:16:13 -0400
From: "Bob Lewis" <rlewis@staffnet.com>
Subject: APRS Operating Question
> Might be some porn somewhere, I've never run across any in my 20+
years
> "on the net".
Man, you got your head in the sand! I get porn delivered right to my
e-mail complements of spam to my address picked up off amateur radio
news groups like this one.
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:00:59 -0500
From: "Steve Sampson \(K5OKC\)" <ssampson@nospam.radio-link.net>
Subject: APRS Operating Question
"Bob Lewis" says:
> > Might be some porn somewhere, I've never run across any in my 20+
> > years "on the net".
>
> Man, you got your head in the sand! I get porn delivered right to my
> e-mail complements of spam to my address picked up off amateur radio
> news groups like this one.
I think you need to re-check what news groups you have selected :-)
I haven't had any porn sent to my email based on participation in this
news group.
I also don't use pre-view in my news or mail reader. If the title looks
even a little bogus I just delete it. I find that subjects that are all caps
usually can be deleted outright. I also use a large filter table, so certain
people and subjects get automatic deletion. Stuff like "help me" or
"MONEY" and "!!!" in the subject line get rid of about 50% of the crapola.
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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 04:25:41 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: APRS Operating Question
"Bob Lewis" <rlewis@staffnet.com> wrote in message
news:JJxA5.134$Qz1.1263@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > Might be some porn somewhere, I've never run across any in my 20+
> years
> > "on the net".
>
> Man, you got your head in the sand! I get porn delivered right to my
> e-mail complements of spam to my address picked up off amateur radio
> news groups like this one.
Well Bob ... I don't.
It's that simple.
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:18:41 GMT
From: marsgal42@hotmail.com
Subject: Compression et all
In article <39CA94C7.F72DB0F@cisco.com>,
Scott Moore <samiam@cisco.com> wrote:
> (snip...)
> Since I lost track of ham, there have been at least two developments
> that should hit ham radio like a bombshell, namely digital voice
> compression (mpeg) and also digital video compression (mpeg again).
> Voice compression should allow voice traffic to go to very narrow
> channel modes, with a resulting dramatic increase on the number
> of people able to get on a given band, plus the greater accuracies
> and longer range receiption afforded by digital error correction.
> Digital video, mpeg-1 style, should change ATV entirely, allowing
> ATV work in much narrower bandwidth, and much lower frequencies.
> Could it even allow DX ATV ? I don't see why mpegs cannot completely
> replace slow scan.
> I know some of this technology is pretty new, but is anyone doing
this/
> working on this ?
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