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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 00 19:50:49 MET
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they die out.
The puzzle is how to do this again, now that fast networking is possible.
> Steve/k5okc
>
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:11:19 -0500
From: "Steve Sampson \(K5OKC\)" <ssampson@nospam.radio-link.net>
Subject: Compression et all
"Hank Oredson" wrote
>
> Darn it Steve, will you please *stop* this!
> I agree with everything you said.
They didn't have a sale this Friday on Samuel Adams, so I
had to get the Miller Light (I think the 3.2 mark must be wrong).
> In particular, it is also my opinion that the biggest failure has been
> the failure to market the more interesting products well, and the
> failure to adapt them to what the "mass market" wants.
I look at some of the players in packet by monitoring their web
pages. While I like simple HTML, the manufacturers of Ham
Equipment are extremely weak in their presentation. Some of
them haven't changed in years. One of them (who I shouldn't
name) doesn't even answer email from the link given.
It's almost like they are making too much money as it is, but
I suspect that they can just barely meet demand, and advertising
would only run up manufacturing costs to get to the next
level. I'm only guessing...
Another repeater controller startup is completely absent in
email. If you don't want email, tell the customer! Don't make
them wait a week and decide to call. Tell them to call--you don't
do email! Sheesh.
Steve
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:53:17 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: Compression et all
"Steve Sampson (K5OKC)" <ssampson@nospam.radio-link.net> wrote in message
news:sst62g3jf2om3b@corp.supernews.com...
> "Hank Oredson" wrote
> >
> > Darn it Steve, will you please *stop* this!
> > I agree with everything you said.
>
> They didn't have a sale this Friday on Samuel Adams, so I
> had to get the Miller Light (I think the 3.2 mark must be wrong).
Ick.
> > In particular, it is also my opinion that the biggest failure has been
> > the failure to market the more interesting products well, and the
> > failure to adapt them to what the "mass market" wants.
>
> I look at some of the players in packet by monitoring their web
> pages. While I like simple HTML, the manufacturers of Ham
> Equipment are extremely weak in their presentation. Some of
> them haven't changed in years. One of them (who I shouldn't
> name) doesn't even answer email from the link given.
Do the same thing here. Try to hit 'em all at least once per
month in case there are firmware updates, new products, etc.
I know exactly who you mean with the broken email.
A simple query about an older product never got a reply.
Some manufacturers do better.
A query to HAL got a reply from the president, same day.
> It's almost like they are making too much money as it is, but
> I suspect that they can just barely meet demand, and advertising
> would only run up manufacturing costs to get to the next
> level. I'm only guessing...
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:15:05 +0000 (UTC)
From: Zsylvan+noZs_0009@Zcyberhighway.Znet.invalid (Sylvan Butler)
Subject: Compression et all
On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:38:16 -0700, Scott Moore <samiam@cisco.com> wrote:
>Sylvan Butler wrote:
>> Ham radio has not progressed in digital data transfer since about 1985.
For
>> the most part in the U.S. we are stuck on 1200bits/sec. Yes, 1.2kBIT/sec.
>Is that a legal limit, or a technology limit ?
Neither, just attitudes, lack of interest, etc. However there is some
technology limits, in that higher rates are pretty much limited to higher
frequencies, which limit the effective range, thus limiting the pool of
possible correspondents. E.g. my 2.4ghz experiments pretty much require
someone within a few miles of me. And I need an elmer. None found yet...
>Well, I am not a ham, as stated before. Most of the guys I have worked with
over
>the years were hams because they liked to build their own equipment and
>tinker.
>I assume someone must be of that mindset, since someone started packet radio.
Yup, but fewer and fewer... It is hard to tinker when you can go into WalMart
and buy something that seems to do it all and more and better. And, when that
gadget is hard to open and modify it really puts a damper on things.
But there is still room, just not a lot of interest. And as you see by some
of the tangental discussions to your post, some seem to think we should just
can the whole thing. Oh well. To each his own, and hopefully the law will
continue to allow room for the individual experimenter.
sdb
--
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***
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:17:57 -0500
From: "Steve Sampson \(K5OKC\)" <ssampson@nospam.radio-link.net>
Subject: NTSB and SUV
The NTSB has released its SUV data last week.
Early in the year they had SUV manufacturers secretly install
Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR) chip in all vehicles coming into
the American market.
The graphs clearly show that in 47 States the last words on the
CVR chip was "Oh Shit!" In three States (Oklahoma, Arkansas,
and Texas) the last words were "Hold my beer, and watch this!"
They didn't say where the chip was located.
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The successful business plans count on revenue from non-ham
sources. In some cases, essentially all *profit* comes from
those sources, and the ham products only exist because of
specific interest by the business owner.
Software products are a different kettle of fish. I suspect several
hams have made reasonable amounts of money with their software.
> Another repeater controller startup is completely absent in
> email. If you don't want email, tell the customer! Don't make
> them wait a week and decide to call. Tell them to call--you don't
> do email! Sheesh.
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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