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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 00 16:38:48 MET
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the IP overhead was in the first 512 bytes, and the rest were pure
data. This setup was actually faster than our 19.2k modems we
used to do UUCP from Unix boxes (AT&T 3B2 -- Yee-Haw!
a wonderful box) via the Telco.
Most of the people around here were never that interested in the
NOS operation after a few days. These guys all needed a GUI or
colored text to get them through the day :-)
I did come up with a pretty neat application. The National Weather
Service had a NOS system and you could FTP weather data from
all the remote sensors all over the state. I just scooped this every
hour and then sucked it into Excel every month to make some
graphical charts. Pretty neat to analyze your illness against
barometric pressure, or lawn height versus rain :-)
Take a look at: ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/hamradio/misc/auto-ftp.zip
For some old history :-)
Steve/k5okc
<horseshoestew@my-deja.com> says:
> The fact that there are restrictions on commercial content(the
> level of restrictions is debatable), puts a big damper on trying to
> hook into the Internet from portable devices - probably the most
> desirable aspect of running TCP/IP thru radios.
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:21:51 GMT
From: horseshoestew@my-deja.com
Subject: TCP/IP Address
In article <ss59bl58h3t29@corp.supernews.com>,
"Steve Sampson \(K5OKC\)" <ssampson@nospam.radio-link.net> wrote:
> I did come up with a pretty neat application. The National Weather
> Service had a NOS system and you could FTP weather data from
> all the remote sensors all over the state. I just scooped this every
> hour and then sucked it into Excel every month to make some
> graphical charts. Pretty neat to analyze your illness against
> barometric pressure, or lawn height versus rain :-)
I think you just hit on the REAL reason Amateur packet TCP/IP has gone
dormant - the lack of applications.
If it wasn't for APRS, all Amateur packet radio would be as kaput as
FidoNet.
There now ARE applications for packet radio AND TCP/IP. You watch, we
are poised for a ressurgance of activity - all it will take is coming
out with inexpensive modems(TNCs are history), and a little bit of
software. I'm working on the solutions right now. Packet didn't die -
it just went into hibernation.
> Steve/k5okc
------- Stewart - N0MHS --------
Wireless High-Speed Networking and
Public Radio Services Information(MURS,FRS,GMRS,ARS,CB):
http://www.pubcel.com
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:43:48 GMT
From: horseshoestew@my-deja.com
Subject: TCP/IP Address
In article <GJuw5.29247$M37.692409@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote:
> Oh, I see, you are trying to divert hams from Ham Radio over
> to some non-ham commercial service.
Not exactly. It is just that MURS is better suited than the ARS for
rebuilding the packet radio network - for two big reasons:
1) The 2w ERP limit is huge advantage when attempting to construct an
Internet-backboned "cellular, frequency re-use" system: Blow-hards
like yourself can't set up 500w ERP hilltop stations and "blow away"
everyone in your county, AND all the surrounding counties to boot!
Besides, with the Internet as a backbone, you don't NEED high-power,
high-level nodes.
2) Like it or not, people WANT commercial content. I don't see what
you are complaining about now; first you were bitching about hams using
the Internet as a backbone, because of all that "commercial" content.
Now the FCC has provided us with a solution, you are bitching about
that.
Face the facts, Hank - the world has changed.
> What a Lid!
Look who's talking, old-timer. QRP?
> ... Hank
------- Stewart - N0MHS --------
Wireless High-Speed Networking and
Public Radio Services Information(MURS,FRS,GMRS,ARS,CB):
http://www.pubcel.com
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 00:22:15 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: TCP/IP Address
<horseshoestew@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8puc7g$3b5$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <GJuw5.29247$M37.692409@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote:
>
> > Oh, I see, you are trying to divert hams from Ham Radio over
> > to some non-ham commercial service.
>
> Not exactly. It is just that MURS is better suited than the ARS for
> rebuilding the packet radio network - for two big reasons:
And not suitable for one very big reason: it is not Ham Radio.
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 00:24:42 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: TCP/IP Address
<horseshoestew@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8puats$1qf$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <ss59bl58h3t29@corp.supernews.com>,
> "Steve Sampson \(K5OKC\)" <ssampson@nospam.radio-link.net> wrote:
>
> > I did come up with a pretty neat application. The National Weather
> > Service had a NOS system and you could FTP weather data from
> > all the remote sensors all over the state. I just scooped this every
> > hour and then sucked it into Excel every month to make some
> > graphical charts. Pretty neat to analyze your illness against
> > barometric pressure, or lawn height versus rain :-)
>
> I think you just hit on the REAL reason Amateur packet TCP/IP has gone
> dormant - the lack of applications.
"... lack of applications ..." ???
Ya gotta be kidding!
Anything that runs over tcp/ip works!
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 19:19:11 -0700
From: "Dana H. Myers" <dana@source.net>
Subject: TCP/IP Address
horseshoestew@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> In article <GJuw5.29247$M37.692409@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote:
>
> > Oh, I see, you are trying to divert hams from Ham Radio over
> > to some non-ham commercial service.
>
> Not exactly. It is just that MURS is better suited than the ARS for
> rebuilding the packet radio network - for two big reasons:
Uh, pardon me. You've found a new hammer and now everything is a nail?
MURS is not really anything new. It is recognizing that use of the itinerant
IB VHF channels was out of control.
MURS radios need to Part 90 type-accepted. Strictly speaking, this means
you can't just build or hack a radio for this service.
Further, MURS is six little skinny, regulated channels. It's no replacement
for
oodles of thinly-regulated spectrum available to a radio amateur. MURS is a
turn-key
consumer band with tight restrictions, and amateur radio is an experimentor's
band
with little practical regulation.
Anyway, you're apparently not aware of the better Part 15 services, such as
900MHz
and 2.4GHz. In some cases, these allocations even overlap with amateur bands.
I don't
see a flood of turnkey amateur operation there.
> 1) The 2w ERP limit is huge advantage when attempting to construct an
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