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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 00:43:24 +1000
From: "Shane Deering" <vk3bvp@crosswinds.net>
Subject: TCP/IP Address
"Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote in message
news:e5zw5.482$Cq6.36341@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> <horseshoestew@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:8puats$1qf$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > In article <ss59bl58h3t29@corp.supernews.com>,
> > "Steve Sampson \(K5OKC\)" <ssampson@nospam.radio-link.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I did come up with a pretty neat application. The National Weather
> > > Service had a NOS system and you could FTP weather data from
> > > all the remote sensors all over the state. I just scooped this every
> > > hour and then sucked it into Excel every month to make some
> > > graphical charts. Pretty neat to analyze your illness against
> > > barometric pressure, or lawn height versus rain :-)
> >
> > I think you just hit on the REAL reason Amateur packet TCP/IP has gone
> > dormant - the lack of applications.
>
> "... lack of applications ..." ???
>
> Ya gotta be kidding!
> Anything that runs over tcp/ip works!
>
I'll go along with that. If you can do it on the internet, you can do it
on the packet radio network.
I'm using mailtrax (a windows based internet server) as an smtp and
nntp server for my packet mail and bulls. And I use outlook express
to read/send all my packet mail/bulls. I've got it set up for 2 packet
accounts and 4 internet acounts and a packet news server and an
internet news server.
I've started a bit of a page of what I'm doing, here -
http://www.qsl.net/vk3bvp/ethrax25.htm
It's a bit pathetic at the moment, but I will get around to doing it up
a bit.
Anyway that's just one of the things I'm doing with tcp/ip at the moment.
And of course you can do it all with linux as well.
The important thing is to have fun doing it :-)
--
Shane Deering VK3BVP
Packet VK3BVP@VK3BVP.#SEV.VIC.AUS.OC
http://www.qsl.net/vk3bvp/index.htm
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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 14:55:52 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: TCP/IP Address
"Shane Deering" <vk3bvp@crosswinds.net> wrote in message
news:8pvtar$r32$1@perki.connect.com.au...
>
> "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote in message
> news:e5zw5.482$Cq6.36341@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >
> > <horseshoestew@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > news:8puats$1qf$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > > In article <ss59bl58h3t29@corp.supernews.com>,
> > > "Steve Sampson \(K5OKC\)" <ssampson@nospam.radio-link.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I did come up with a pretty neat application. The National Weather
> > > > Service had a NOS system and you could FTP weather data from
> > > > all the remote sensors all over the state. I just scooped this every
> > > > hour and then sucked it into Excel every month to make some
> > > > graphical charts. Pretty neat to analyze your illness against
> > > > barometric pressure, or lawn height versus rain :-)
> > >
> > > I think you just hit on the REAL reason Amateur packet TCP/IP has gone
> > > dormant - the lack of applications.
> >
> > "... lack of applications ..." ???
> >
> > Ya gotta be kidding!
> > Anything that runs over tcp/ip works!
> >
>
> I'll go along with that. If you can do it on the internet, you can do it
> on the packet radio network.
> I'm using mailtrax (a windows based internet server) as an smtp and
> nntp server for my packet mail and bulls. And I use outlook express
> to read/send all my packet mail/bulls. I've got it set up for 2 packet
> accounts and 4 internet acounts and a packet news server and an
> internet news server.
I do the same here, plus one additional thing: I'm sending this across
a ham radio link, from one Windows 98SE system to another,
and thence onto the internet. It can work both ways: ham radio
data over the internet, an internet connection routed over ham
radio. Both are easy.
> I've started a bit of a page of what I'm doing, here -
> http://www.qsl.net/vk3bvp/ethrax25.htm
> It's a bit pathetic at the moment, but I will get around to doing it up
> a bit.
> Anyway that's just one of the things I'm doing with tcp/ip at the moment.
> And of course you can do it all with linux as well.
> The important thing is to have fun doing it :-)
>
> --
> Shane Deering VK3BVP
>
> Packet VK3BVP@VK3BVP.#SEV.VIC.AUS.OC
> http://www.qsl.net/vk3bvp/index.htm
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 14:53:47 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: TCP/IP Address
"Rob Janssen" <nomail@rob.knoware.nl> wrote in message
news:slrn8s6d6f.qs.nomail@linux.pe1chl.ampr.org...
> Hank Oredson <horedson@att.net> wrote:
>
> ><horseshoestew@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> >news:8puats$1qf$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> >> In article <ss59bl58h3t29@corp.supernews.com>,
> >> "Steve Sampson \(K5OKC\)" <ssampson@nospam.radio-link.net> wrote:
>
> >> > I did come up with a pretty neat application. The National Weather
> >> > Service had a NOS system and you could FTP weather data from
> >> > all the remote sensors all over the state. I just scooped this every
> >> > hour and then sucked it into Excel every month to make some
> >> > graphical charts. Pretty neat to analyze your illness against
> >> > barometric pressure, or lawn height versus rain :-)
>
> >> I think you just hit on the REAL reason Amateur packet TCP/IP has gone
> >> dormant - the lack of applications.
>
> >"... lack of applications ..." ???
>
> >Ya gotta be kidding!
> >Anything that runs over tcp/ip works!
>
> Not in those days, Hank!
But my comment was about today! (Keep this in mind ...)
> "NOS" was just the name of a certain version of "NET" that had a modified
> internal structure so that the interface between "applications" and
> "kernel" more resembled the BSD socket interface, but it was never
> separated into a kernel and applications at the distribution (executable)
> level. All the applications had to be compiled and linked with the kernel.
That is true if one assumes the applications and NET (or NOS) were
running on the same machine. I always ran NET and NOS on it's own
machine, thus providing access to the ham radio network to other
machines running the same, or some other, OS. Then you have any
and all networked applications able to run native, and run over ham
radio via the NET (NOS) "gateway to Ham Radio" machine.
This also has useful firewall implications.
> The result was a very large number of different "NOS" versions, each
> extended in some direction to include applications the particular
> maintainer liked, and with a stability reflecting the programming quality
> of that particular maintainer. You know, being sloppy with memory
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