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it's free, of course). To help new SysOps, we developed a step-by-step
course and provide all our own configuration files as a sample (freely
available from the website mentioned above).
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Gert Leunen - ON1BLU
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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:03:58 -0500
From: "Steve Sampson \(K5OKC\)" <ssampson@nospam.radio-link.net>
Subject: TCP/IP Address
You guys need to look into: www.ccnow.com
or something like that.
It makes ordering things easy, as we have no clue over here
what a Euro-Dollar is worth on a daily basis... :-)
"Gert Leunen" <Gert.Leunen@tijd.com> wrote
>
> Have you ever heard of the MCB-152? Yes, some Europeans actually do some
> development from time to time :-)
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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 01:14:04 GMT
From: horseshoestew@my-deja.com
Subject: TCP/IP Address
In article <39C2D89F.DEED8AB7@source.net>,
k6jq@pacbell.net wrote:
> MURS radios need to Part 90 type-accepted.
Wrong. MURS is a Part 95 service.
> Anyway, you're apparently not aware of the better Part 15 services,
such as 900MHz
> and 2.4GHz.
Wrong again.
> In some cases, these allocations even overlap with amateur bands. I
don't
> see a flood of turnkey amateur operation there.
There are many reasons why not. We have recently been discussing them
here - which YOU were obviously not aware of.
> > 1) The 2w ERP limit is huge advantage when attempting to construct
an
> > Internet-backboned "cellular, frequency re-use" system: Blow-hards
> > like yourself can't set up 500w ERP hilltop stations and "blow away"
> > everyone in your county, AND all the surrounding counties to boot!
> > Besides, with the Internet as a backbone, you don't NEED high-power,
> > high-level nodes.
>
> What does this have to do with MURS in particular? Nothing at all.
You might
> be surprised to find out how many modified VHF amateur radios are
being used on
> the VHF and UHF business bands - without power limits.
People get scared off by licenses. They want ready-to-go, turn-key
applications.
> > 2) Like it or not, people WANT commercial content. I don't see what
> > you are complaining about now; first you were bitching about hams
using
> > the Internet as a backbone, because of all that "commercial"
content.
> > Now the FCC has provided us with a solution, you are bitching about
> > that.
>
> The FCC has long permitted commercial data, in the Part 90 service
(for example).
> Just fill out a license and buy type-accepted gear. It hasn't set
the world on
> fire. MURS will not, either. It is not a substitute for amateur
radio.
Like I said - people don't want to deal with licenses. The also don't
want to pay a lot of money. FRS radios cost as little as $20 at Wal-
Mart - if MURS radios can come anywhere near this number, it WILL be a
success.
> > Face the facts, Hank - the world has changed.
>
> Hank might have some zany ideas, all that Pacific Northwest moisture
seems to have
> gone to his head sometimes :-), but I believe he's right on about
this topic.
>
> Stewart, you're excited about MURS. Have you ever listened to those
frequencies?
> I don't think you'll be as excited after all the voice users start
jamming your data
> network.
That is the first thing you've said that is of interest.
> Dana K6JQ
> dana@source.net
------- Stewart - N0MHS --------
Wireless High-Speed Networking and
Public Radio Services Information(MURS,FRS,GMRS,ARS,CB):
http://www.pubcel.com
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 01:30:12 GMT
From: horseshoestew@my-deja.com
Subject: TCP/IP Address
In article <e5zw5.482$Cq6.36341@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote:
> > I think you just hit on the REAL reason Amateur packet TCP/IP has
gone
> > dormant - the lack of applications.
>
> "... lack of applications ..." ???
>
> Ya gotta be kidding!
Not at all.
> Anything that runs over tcp/ip works!
What an insight you have!
The PROBLEM is, at 1200bps they don't work very well. Most all
applications have all been written to work at ethernet speeds. NOBODY
wants to sit around and wait for things to happen. The trick is to
come up with applications that are useful at 1200bps. That's what I'm
working on.
> ... Hank
------- Stewart - N0MHS --------
Wireless High-Speed Networking and
Public Radio Services Information(MURS,FRS,GMRS,ARS,CB):
http://www.pubcel.com
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 01:40:02 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: TCP/IP Address
<horseshoestew@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8q3q8e$sbv$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <39C2D89F.DEED8AB7@source.net>,
> k6jq@pacbell.net wrote:
> > MURS radios need to Part 90 type-accepted.
>
> Wrong. MURS is a Part 95 service.
Looks like the proper tense should be
"was" or "might have been" a Part 95 service ...
RM-9157
Adopted: April 18, 2000
Released: April 20, 2000
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3. Section 95.601 is corrected by deleting reference to the "Multi-Use
Radio Service
(MURS) subpart H" to read as follows:
* * * The Personal Radio Services are the GMRS (General Mobile Radio
Service) subpart A, the
Family Radio Service (FRS) subpart B, the R/C (Radio Control Radio Service)
subpart C, the CB (Citizens
Band Radio Service) subpart D, the Low Power Radio Service (LPRS) subpart G,
and the Medical Implant
Communications Service (MICS) subpart I.
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5. Section 95.605 is corrected by deleting the reference to "MURS" to
read as follows:
Any entity may request certification for its transmitter when the
transmitter is used in the GMRS, R/C,
CB, IVDS, LPRS, or MICS following the procedures in part 2 of this chapter.
Medical implant transmitters
shall be tested for emissions and EIRP limit compliance while enclosed in a
medium that simulates human
body tissue in accordance with the procedures in Sec. 95.639(g). Frequency
stability testing for MICS
transmitters shall be performed over the temperature range set forth in Sec.
95.628.
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10. Section 95.649 is revised by deleting the reference to "MURS" to
read
as follows:
No FRS, R/C, CB, LPRS, or MICS transmitter shall incorporate provisions
for increasing its
transmitter power to any level in excess of the limits specified in Sec.
95.639.
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11. Section 95.651 is revised by deleting the reference to "a MURS unit"
to read as follows:
All transmitters used in the Personal Radio Services must be crystal
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