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constant foundationless vapor-hype, coupled with the almost total lack of
accomplishment from the amateur tcpip community went over about like feces
in the punch bowl. The constant insults and accusations directed against the
general Ham community didn't go over too well, either.
That's why the great majority of Hams wouldn't touch amateur tcpip with a
ten-foot pole. It might (or might not) be great, but that doesn't really
matter after the way amateur tcpip buffs have alienated the general Ham
population over the years. Nobody wants to be associated with them, no
matter what they may or may not have to offer.
They pissed in the well, and nobody was impressed.
--
73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
n5pvl@swbell.net
http://home.swbell.net/n5pvl/
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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 02:19:12 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: TCP/IP Address
"Shane Deering" <vk3bvp@crosswinds.net> wrote in message
news:8q3sr2$ikm$1@perki.connect.com.au...
<deletia>
>
> I'd like to see an interface option like ethrax25 for SNOS. The code is GPL
> and freely available. What I really want is JNOS with an interface to the
> windows tcpip stack. Then it would be sort of like Wingate and Mailtraq
> rolled into one, but with all the packet interface options.
I'm not sure what you are suggesting. Could you explain in a bit more
detail what that interface would be / do? As far as I'm aware, SNOS
and etherax25 have nothing at all in common, they do different things.
You could, perhaps, use etherax25 to connect your Winsock over
ham radio to another machine running SNOS ... and use a serial port
and TNC instead of that second ethernet controller :-)
> >
> > Are there any other solutions available?
>
> Guess you knew I was going to say ethrax25.
> To my way of thinking it offers the easiest way of getting windows
> end user client tcpip software onto the packet tcpip network.
Not what SNOS is about ...
> All you have to do is install the driver, hook up your KISS mode TNC
> and config your software (that you're already using on the internet).
As far as I was aware, etherax25 allows you to stuff tcp/ip
out over a TNC. No services, nntp <-> bulletin translation, etc.
So it doesn't solve the most important issue: maintaining compatibility
with the existing packet network applications. SNOS my experiment
to do this: provide the bridge between the existing BBS network
protocols (e.g. forwarding) and the tcp/ip protocols (e.g. nntp
distribution).
> I've had a quick look at AGW, but only being able to use
> the tcpip side of it for 45 minute (without registering it) has put me
> off doing tests with it. Maybe one day.
I never had any luck with it. Should try it again sometime.
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:59:54 -0500
From: "Steve Sampson \(K5OKC\)" <ssampson@nospam.radio-link.net>
Subject: TCP/IP Address
How come we all knew that was going to be the reason? Bark!
"Charles Brabham" says:
>
> I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with all of the stated opinions as to why
> amateur tcpip never "flew"... Everybody's got opinions... Here's mine:
>
> Amateur tcpip never "flew" because of the hostile, anti-ham attitudes and
> actions consistently displayed by amateur tcpip buffs, over the years.
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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 08:57:38 +0300
From: Paul Keinanen <keinanen@sci.fi>
Subject: TCP/IP Address
On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 01:30:12 GMT, horseshoestew@my-deja.com wrote:
>The trick is to come up with applications that are useful at 1200bps.
>That's what I'm working on.
DX-cluster and APRS are just that type of applications that can live
with 1200 bit/s, in which messages are usually generated at so low
rates that the link is idle between messages and there is only a small
risk that queues are formed at one end of a link. Applications that by
design require queueing (e.g. store and forward) destroy the
responsiveness of any interactive applications, unless some QoS
concept is used to prioritise the traffic by a frame by frame basis.
Applications similar to GSM cellular phone SMS (Short Message Service)
or DX-cluster "talk" functions in which 1 .. 3 lines of text is
delivered in more or less real time so that an interactive discussion
can be maintained. But even in this case the link loading should be
kept low even during peak hours to maintain a usable response time at
these extremely slow half duplex links if more than one link is
involved in the transfer.
Paul OH3LWR
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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:15:11 +1000
From: "Shane Deering" <vk3bvp@crosswinds.net>
Subject: TCP/IP Address
"Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote in message
news:AYex5.3174$Cq6.260063@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> "Shane Deering" <vk3bvp@crosswinds.net> wrote in message
> news:8q3sr2$ikm$1@perki.connect.com.au...
>
> <deletia>
>
> >
> > I'd like to see an interface option like ethrax25 for SNOS. The code is
GPL
> > and freely available. What I really want is JNOS with an interface to
the
> > windows tcpip stack. Then it would be sort of like Wingate and Mailtraq
> > rolled into one, but with all the packet interface options.
>
> I'm not sure what you are suggesting. Could you explain in a bit more
> detail what that interface would be / do? As far as I'm aware, SNOS
> and etherax25 have nothing at all in common, they do different things.
> You could, perhaps, use etherax25 to connect your Winsock over
> ham radio to another machine running SNOS ... and use a serial port
> and TNC instead of that second ethernet controller :-)
I have to go out in a minute so it won't be detailed.
I thought that SNOS used BPQEITHER to talk to the packet network via
another computer that has normal packet interfaces. Why not add a normal
packet
interface to SNOS.
Of course they have nothing in common. The idea of using ethrax25 is as
interface
option like bpqeither. To be used as well as or instead of it with SNOS.
If you have eithrax25 you don't need to connect to another SNOS computer,you
can connect to any *NOS computer over packet.
I just thought it would be a good interface to have as well as bpqeither.
>
> > >
> > > Are there any other solutions available?
> >
> > Guess you knew I was going to say ethrax25.
> > To my way of thinking it offers the easiest way of getting windows
> > end user client tcpip software onto the packet tcpip network.
>
> Not what SNOS is about ...
>
> > All you have to do is install the driver, hook up your KISS mode TNC
> > and config your software (that you're already using on the internet).
>
> As far as I was aware, etherax25 allows you to stuff tcp/ip
> out over a TNC. No services, nntp <-> bulletin translation, etc.
Good isn't it. Why tie yourself down to one bit of packet software.
I use Mailtraq which does that and a lot more.
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