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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 00 23:00:01 MET
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thought that this was bad. Automatic and manual phone patches have been a
major part of Amateur Radio for years.Automatic phone patches have fallen in
number, not because they are bad, but because cell-phone use has
proliferated.
And as to using radio for all of the links in an "Amateur Radio" system,
what about the connection between the microphone and the trasceiver? That's
wired. Does that mean it's bad? Not to me. So why does hooking a few
transceivers together with IP make it bad? What if by hooking up a lot of
repeaters to IP, we could create a network that would allow you to roam
across the US and still talk to the Amateurs in your home town. Would this
be bad?
Let's look at ways that Amateur Radio and the Internet can enhance each
other. There's been many QSO's made that couldn't be made before. Why? Did
the Internet carry the signal? No, it's because it let two people meet each
other and arranged a schedule for the QSO. The Internet is providing the
capability for those who ARE working on new technologies to communicate with
each other, like this thread originally was.
It just makes me sad to see that there are so many people who would rather
sit here and call each other names than to get out and do something good. If
you are into defending Amateur Radio so heavily, why aren't you out talking
on it instead of hear cussing at others?
Ed
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:35:40 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: internet repeater linking
"Ed_Woodrick" <Ed_Woodrick@email.msn.com> wrote in message
news:OwOsmJDHAHA.345@cpmsnbbsa09...
<chomp>
> It just makes me sad to see that there are so many people who would rather
> sit here and call each other names than to get out and do something good. If
> you are into defending Amateur Radio so heavily, why aren't you out talking
> on it instead of hear cussing at others?
I am not "talking on it" because the traffic I wanted to handle over a long
haul
VHF link already got to it's destination via a link across the internet.
I am not "talking on it" right now because what I tried to do on HF
did not work due to the recent solar flare, and at this moment there
is no propagation to anywhere from the PNW.
I am not "talking on it" right now because the person I wish to talk
with on VHF has not left his office yet.
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:29:34 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: internet repeater linking
"Ed_Woodrick" <Ed_Woodrick@email.msn.com> wrote in message
news:OwOsmJDHAHA.345@cpmsnbbsa09...
> It's just so disconcerting to see conversations like this. It's pretty
> obvious that the "friendship and goodwill" portions of ham radio are now
> history. Why can't everyone just learn to live with others? If there's a
> repeater in your vicinity that is hooked to the Internet, and you don't like
> it, just don't use it. There a hundreds of different aspects of Amateur
> Radio, there's no rule that says that you have to do all of them or agree
> with all of them. There's many different drummers out there.
Some of us would like to forward packet traffic over long haul links,
both on VHF/UHF and on HF. The folks who bypass those links
using the internet prevent us from doing so. They refuse to halt this
practice and allow the hams who *want* to use radio ... use radio.
Those are the folks who killed the "friendship and goodwill" .
Note that your "different drummers" are not drumming on radios ...
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:21:29 -0500
From: "J. Hoffa" <J.Hoffa@underground.net>
Subject: internet repeater linking
If you can't keep up, just say so.
We kept waiting for the high bandwidth network to appear. All we
ever saw was 1200 and 300 baud. The BBS scrotum scratchers
insisted on using AX.25 on HF, in the face of technical evidence
against it. We put up our node, and waited. No other Ham group
could be found to "interconnect", so we formed a better backbone
on the big "Interconnect." It's still running today, although for the
life of me, I don't know why. AX.25 Packet radio is dead. Voice and
other digital HF modes have replaced it.
When you have to deal with idiots as an alternative, the Internet
looks very inviting.
The Internet is where it is happening. The vocoder available from
DVSI, and homebrew Speak Freely, allows repeaters to be
interconnected and encrypted between nodes, to prevent
outside access. Part 97 only allows encryption on satellite
command channels, so many of the aux channels are easily
jammed, which forces many repeater groups to use the internet.
Filthy Bastard "Hank Oredson" wrote
>
> Some of us would like to forward packet traffic over long haul links,
> both on VHF/UHF and on HF. The folks who bypass those links
> using the internet prevent us from doing so. They refuse to halt this
> practice and allow the hams who *want* to use radio ... use radio.
>
> Those are the folks who killed the "friendship and goodwill" .
>
> Note that your "different drummers" are not drumming on radios ...
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:45:23 -0400
From: no.spam@no.junk.mail.net
Subject: internet repeater linking
On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:29:34 GMT, "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote:
>Some of us would like to forward packet traffic over long haul links,
>both on VHF/UHF and on HF. The folks who bypass those links
>using the internet prevent us from doing so. They refuse to halt this
>practice and allow the hams who *want* to use radio ... use radio.
>
Oh bullshit. Quit your whimpering. No one is 'preventing' you from doing
anything.
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:13:37 -0400
From: "Ed_Woodrick" <Ed_Woodrick@email.msn.com>
Subject: internet repeater linking
I'm not sure why some people using the Internet prevent you from using long
haul links. On my radio, I can talk on HF or VHF and not have any worry
about what other people do.
And I certainly hope that you aren't talking about broadcasting packet
messages across the US, that's a really inefficient use of spectrum.
But more importantly, it seems as if you are saying that Amateur Radio is
slower than the Internet. Well, this just isn't true. If you are talking
about the transfer of AX.25 packet data, then indeed, that mode is slower.
But my radio signal is often many milliseconds ahead of an equivalent voice
over IP solution.
But isn't it obvious that 1200 baud signals are significantly slower than
56kb and even faster connections? To compare the two is not a smart thing to
do.
Ed
"Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote in message
news:29cv5.3492$6i1.321960@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> "Ed_Woodrick" <Ed_Woodrick@email.msn.com> wrote in message
> news:OwOsmJDHAHA.345@cpmsnbbsa09...
> > It's just so disconcerting to see conversations like this. It's pretty
> > obvious that the "friendship and goodwill" portions of ham radio are now
> > history. Why can't everyone just learn to live with others? If there's a
> > repeater in your vicinity that is hooked to the Internet, and you don't
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