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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 00 23:00:05 MET
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> > it, just don't use it. There a hundreds of different aspects of Amateur
> > Radio, there's no rule that says that you have to do all of them or
agree
> > with all of them. There's many different drummers out there.
>
> Some of us would like to forward packet traffic over long haul links,
> both on VHF/UHF and on HF. The folks who bypass those links
> using the internet prevent us from doing so. They refuse to halt this
> practice and allow the hams who *want* to use radio ... use radio.
>
> Those are the folks who killed the "friendship and goodwill" .
>
> Note that your "different drummers" are not drumming on radios ...
>
> --
>
> ... Hank
>
> http://horedson.home.att.net
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:46:54 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: internet repeater linking
<no.spam@no.junk.mail.net> wrote in message
news:o22rrs83s32cjudmeb5ftgdrkj30f63crv@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:29:34 GMT, "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote:
>
> >Some of us would like to forward packet traffic over long haul links,
> >both on VHF/UHF and on HF. The folks who bypass those links
> >using the internet prevent us from doing so. They refuse to halt this
> >practice and allow the hams who *want* to use radio ... use radio.
> Oh bullshit. Quit your whimpering. No one is 'preventing' you from doing
> anything.
Explain how I would do it.
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:20:21 -0500
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@swb.net>
Subject: internet repeater linking
<no.spam@no.junk.mail.net> wrote in message
news:o22rrs83s32cjudmeb5ftgdrkj30f63crv@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:29:34 GMT, "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote:
>
> >Some of us would like to forward packet traffic over long haul links,
> >both on VHF/UHF and on HF. The folks who bypass those links
> >using the internet prevent us from doing so. They refuse to halt this
> >practice and allow the hams who *want* to use radio ... use radio.
> >
> Oh bullshit. Quit your whimpering. No one is 'preventing' you from doing
> anything.
Once again, Steve displays the fundamental ignorance and disregard for
others that typifies the "LandLine Lid" way of looking at things.
--
73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
n5pvl@swbell.net
http://home.swbell.net/n5pvl/
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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:54:07 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: internet repeater linking
"Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@swb.net> wrote in message
news:mIhv5.1157$oz2.136281@nnrp2.sbc.net...
>
> <no.spam@no.junk.mail.net> wrote in message
> news:o22rrs83s32cjudmeb5ftgdrkj30f63crv@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:29:34 GMT, "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Some of us would like to forward packet traffic over long haul links,
> > >both on VHF/UHF and on HF. The folks who bypass those links
> > >using the internet prevent us from doing so. They refuse to halt this
> > >practice and allow the hams who *want* to use radio ... use radio.
> > >
> > Oh bullshit. Quit your whimpering. No one is 'preventing' you from doing
> > anything.
>
> Once again, Steve displays the fundamental ignorance and disregard for
> others that typifies the "LandLine Lid" way of looking at things.
At least they were open and above-board about it. When the Land Line
Lids began to build the bypasses, more than one of them told me that
they intended to destroy the ability of the existing network to use long
haul ham radio links, and that there was nothing anyone could do about it.
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:07:13 +0300
From: Paul Keinanen <keinanen@sci.fi>
Subject: internet repeater linking
On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:29:34 GMT, "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
wrote:
>Some of us would like to forward packet traffic over long haul links,
>both on VHF/UHF and on HF.
So there are some hams to want to do some things but they live at a
large distance so they can not get it done their own. Now, there
appears to live some hams at suitable places in between and their
assistance would be helpful to get the link going. However, these hams
are not interested of that kind of operations for some strange
reasons. e.g. because it would just be hard work and no pleasure for
these intermediate hams. Now, the original hams call these hams with
all kinds of names because these hams in between don't want to play in
the sandbox exactly as the original hams wanted.
>The folks who bypass those links
>using the internet prevent us from doing so.
Do these take away all to frequencies or the good sites, thus
preventing some radio only connection ?
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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:12:01 GMT
From: nomail@rob.knoware.nl (Rob Janssen)
Subject: internet repeater linking
J. Hoffa <J.Hoffa@underground.net> wrote:
>If you can't keep up, just say so.
>We kept waiting for the high bandwidth network to appear.
THERE is your mistake. You should not have been waiting, you should have
helped building it. High bandwidth networks do not appear by themselves.
Rob
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:54:22 -0400
From: Gary Coffman <ke4zv@bellsouth.net>
Subject: MURS potential
On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 03:19:30 GMT, "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote:
>"Ed Hare, W1RFI" <w1rfi@arrl.net> wrote in message
>news:olXt5.580$u95.1495895@news.ntplx.net...
>> <horseshoestew@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I heard somewhere(I think it was on TAPR's Spread Spectrum mail list)
>> > that 900Mhz devices "do better" than 2.4Ghz devices, as far as
>> > propagation is concerned. I think someone mentioned an "evil"
>> > multipath problem. Are they just covering their asses for choosing
>> > 900Mhz for the FHSS radio project, or is this a legitimate concern?
>>
>> Do you really think that the fine folks at TAPR would put all the work they
>> do into promoting digital radio, then promote 900 MHz if it was second best
>> because one TAPR project uses 900 MHz? The leadership at TAPR cares very
>> much about what they are doing and I have confidence that if they are
>> recommending 900 MHz, it is not to cover their butts over the 900 MHz FH
>> project.
>>
>> 73,
>> Ed Hare, W1RFI
>
>Remember the NNC?
>
>TNC-1, then TNC-2, then NNC, which was planned to give the
>hardware base upon which we could build networks. That was ...
>... without digging out my NNC architecture diagrams and looking
>at actual dates but relying on memory ... about 1985. As far as
>I know, none were actually built, although a few boxes of similar
>design were created by more than one group. Nothing comparable
>to the TNC-2 done since then.
I remember the NNC. In fact I can look to my right and see one
on a shelf right this minute. It is 64180 based, with 256 kb of static
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