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Before you buy.
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:31:42 GMT
From: horseshoestew@my-deja.com
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
In article <uCwb5.2826$tI4.182994@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote:
>
> "Steve Sampson" <ssampson@usa-site.net> wrote in message
> news:smt0atunnd6184@corp.supernews.com...
> > "Hank Oredson" wrote
> >
> > > > > Steve, why do you continually tell untruths?
> > > > > You were not there, you have no clue what worked or didn't
work.
> >
> > Sorry, I was. I joined packet in 1989 when it saturated out. In
1990
> > it started its plummet to extinction. I stopped using the BBS when
we
> > couldn't get any messages forwarded from the war zone. We finally
> > went to MARS for voice and RTTY relay circuits. Thank God for
> > Non-Hams!
>
> Like I said, you were not there.
> We're talking 1983-1985 Steve, when things got going.
> When you, and others like you, arrived in 1989-1990, everything
started
> going downhill fast. Perhaps there is a clue lurking in this
observation.
HA!
In the 1980's 1200bps packet did grow fast; but what KILLED growth was
the inability of hams to move past the 1200bps standard that worked so
well in the 80's. 1200bps became a ball-and-chain in the 90's. Cheap-
ass hams wouldn't pay top-dollar for plug-and-play solutions, and
appliance operater hams couldn't get cheap 9600bps setups working, and
when the 14.4Kbps landline modem arrived - it was all over. We had
some luck out here in Southern California with setting up a 9600bps
network, but 28.8/56Kbps landline modems drove a stake in the heart of
amateur low to medium speed(<56Kbps) RF digital communications. This
may be a good thing in the end. All that 1200bps equipment is now
obsolete(except for APRS), and no medium speed standard came to take
its place - so we don't have the "ball-and-chain" effect anymore. We
can start off fresh with a new standard. What is becoming the de-facto
standard is modified part 15 devices on 13cm(forget TAPR's defunct 33cm
idea - PLEASE!). The other MAJOR benefit is that we can now use the
always- connected, high-speed DSL and cable modem hookups to the
Internet to build high-speed gateways.
The top of the bottle is loose - the genie is just about to get out!
> ... Hank
Stewart - N0MHS
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Before you buy.
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:38:16 -0500
From: "Steve Sampson" <ssampson@usa-site.net>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
"Jeff Goodspeed" wrote
> As I see it, this is not a discussion about communication technology past
and
> future. The underlying debate is the chasm which is growing between two
> factions of people, the Ham Radio Operators and the Internet Users.
Well, you could be right, but let me throw in what I think is going on:
*My Ham radio activity has nothing to do with my data link activity*
When I get on Ham radio I generally do it for relaxation. When I solder stuff
together on the kitchen table, Tubby (the Cat) keeps me company and we
read schematics and play with the breadboard parts.
PSK31 and CW are relaxing and fun, SSB on 10 meters is fun. When I'm
done, or have had enough, I shut the radio off, and go do something else.
On the other hand, the Ham who spends 24 hours a day on Ham Radio
data links, is completely frustrated by someone who gets more out of
a Part-15 device that is also cheaper than his 300 baud HF link modem.
This frustration points only toward the data link part of someone's hobby
(calling them non-Hams and telephone hams, etc), rather than even
noticing any other aspect of what Hams do for relaxation.
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Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:29:12 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
"Steve Sampson" <ssampson@usa-site.net> wrote in message
news:smvcmhocnd6160@corp.supernews.com...
> "Jeff Goodspeed" wrote
>
> > As I see it, this is not a discussion about communication technology past
and
> > future. The underlying debate is the chasm which is growing between two
> > factions of people, the Ham Radio Operators and the Internet Users.
>
> Well, you could be right, but let me throw in what I think is going on:
>
> *My Ham radio activity has nothing to do with my data link activity*
>
> When I get on Ham radio I generally do it for relaxation. When I solder
stuff
> together on the kitchen table, Tubby (the Cat) keeps me company and we
> read schematics and play with the breadboard parts.
>
> PSK31 and CW are relaxing and fun, SSB on 10 meters is fun. When I'm
> done, or have had enough, I shut the radio off, and go do something else.
>
> On the other hand, the Ham who spends 24 hours a day on Ham Radio
> data links, is completely frustrated by someone who gets more out of
> a Part-15 device that is also cheaper than his 300 baud HF link modem.
> This frustration points only toward the data link part of someone's hobby
> (calling them non-Hams and telephone hams, etc), rather than even
> noticing any other aspect of what Hams do for relaxation.
Except possibly for those of us who have data links, but also are active
on CW, SSB, PSK31, and other modes on various bands. Nobody
makes it impossible for me to operate, for example, CW. The Land Line
Lids *do* make it impossible for me to use my data links. If there was
someone who followed you around every frequency you operated, and
always answered every one of your CQs, and in every way they could
QRMed your PSK31, CW and SSB operation, you might tend to get
a bit miffed at them. What appears hard for hams who do not operate
data links to understand is just how prevalent and persistent is the
interference from these folks. It is always there, and it is total.
Thus the term "Land Line Lids". They force the data to go over the
internet BEFORE it is possible to move it via radio.
To be continued in digest: hd_2000_190E
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