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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 00 23:51:10 MET
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From: pa2aga@pe1mvx.ampr.org
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> I bet you don't have a cable modem, or DSL hookup yet, huh? That's OK,
> you can tap into mine - via RADIO!
Explain how I can do this.
> Stewart - N0MHS
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... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:53:40 -0700
From: "Unclaimed Mysteries" <k4doh@mindspring.com>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
Jeff Goodspeed <cmsx42@email.mot.com> took another step toward USENET
history by writing in part:
> I like Will's position. I too feel the "magical" element of global
> communication without using wires. I enjoy being at the "mercy" of natures
> interactions of sun and ionosphere.
>
> I also see a cultural element in this topic. Communication via the
internet
> implies a total dependence on society with the subjugation of the
> individual in the act.
I see a cultural element in driving on public roads. Driving on the highways
implies a total dependence on society with the subjugation of the individual
in the act.
> No one can communicate from point A to point B via
> the internet without tens of thousands of other people showing up to work,
> keeping the multi billion dollar network humming.
No one can drive from point A to point B via the public roads without tens
of thousands of other people showing up to work, keeping the multi-billion
dollar road system in shape and free from potholes.
> The internet communicator
> hits the carriage return key which in turn grovels to the Internet Service
> Provider for permission to have the puny little packet transported over
the
> behemoth. The sender of the information can take about as much pride in
> completing the communication as he can in forcing the sun to rise in the
> east each morning.
>
The pitiful collectivist parasitic public road driver wimp turns the
ignition key which in turn starts the engine which was designed and built by
someone else to have the automobile transported over the roads which someone
else built. The driver can take about as much pride in completing the
journey as he can in forcing the sun to rise in the east each morning.
> Point to point radio communication on the other hand is more an expression
> of rugged individualism. The radio operator is in control of the
> communication process and only needs the cooperation of the receiving
party
> to complete the transaction. Entire societies can rise and crumble without
> impacting two individuals communicating via radio.
>
Driving my home-brew Killdozer, on the other hand, is more an expression of
my rugged individualism. Don't laugh. It's got a spacious interior, NO
FSCKING SEATBELTS, an extra-large glove box where I keep my well-worn copy
of Atlas Shrugged, and other luxury appointments in addition to the armor
and weaponry one would expect of a Killdozer. I am in control of the
transportation process and need nobody's cooperation whatsoever. Entire
societies can and will crumble without impacting my journey.
> Which of these two would give you something to feel pride in?
>
You talking to me?
--
It came from C. L. Smith's Unclaimed Mysteries.
http://www.unclaimedmysteries.net/
"BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME." - J.R. "Bob" Dobbs
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 03:25:37 GMT
From: horseshoestew@my-deja.com
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
In article <AU7b5.6694$qX6.515710@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote:
>
> <horseshoestew@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:8kitiq$9l9$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > In article <396CAED5.19E105B5@dev.tivoli.com>,
> > Jeff Kilgore <kilgore@dev.tivoli.com> wrote:
> > > Very eloquently put, and I completely agree. For me, the internet
is a
> > > very useful tool, but it holds very little fascination for me in
and
> > of
> > > itself. It is an adjunt to other, more important areas of my life.
> >
> > By the way "Internet" should be capitalized. When not capitalized,
it
> > means something completely different(a local internet - like in a
lab,
> > or in a house).
>
> Reference please.
I AM the reference. There are those that lead, and those that follow.
I lead - Webster follows.
> > A very useful tool, huh? If television had such good reviews during
> > its infancy - where would it be by now. "The" Internet is more than
> > just a very useful tool. It has only been around for a short while,
> > but it is already changing the world.
>
> Yes, only for 30+ years ... a short time compared to, say, radio
(grin!)
Radio has "legs".
> > I bet you don't have a cable modem, or DSL hookup yet, huh? That's
OK,
> > you can tap into mine - via RADIO!
>
> Explain how I can do this.
Part 15, my friend. You don't think I would advocate improving the
range of $100 part 15 network cards by hooking up inexpensive external
high-gain directional antennas, placed up high, with low-loss coax
feedline, creating fairly long-range and virtually un-interceptable
links, and causing little noise to other devices - even though it would
be EASY for most anyone to do. That must be left to us amateurs, who
would be responsible that little or no "commercial" traffic passed over
the link. Although we will somehow allow the buying and selling of ham
gear - right???!!!! ... or the use of phone patches, where the Cell
Phone network is now available???!!!! Please, my friend, it is time
for us to move forward - and there is already precedent.
The genie wants out of the bottle.
Oh, by the way, the Internet has legs too.
> ... Hank
Stewart - N0MHS
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:14:10 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
<horseshoestew@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8kjcr3$jjf$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
<deletia>
>
> > > I bet you don't have a cable modem, or DSL hookup yet, huh? That's
> OK,
> > > you can tap into mine - via RADIO!
> >
> > Explain how I can do this.
>
> Part 15, my friend. You don't think I would advocate improving the
> range of $100 part 15 network cards by hooking up inexpensive external
> high-gain directional antennas, placed up high, with low-loss coax
> feedline, creating fairly long-range and virtually un-interceptable
> links, and causing little noise to other devices - even though it would
> be EASY for most anyone to do. That must be left to us amateurs, who
> would be responsible that little or no "commercial" traffic passed over
> the link. Although we will somehow allow the buying and selling of ham
> gear - right???!!!! ... or the use of phone patches, where the Cell
> Phone network is now available???!!!! Please, my friend, it is time
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