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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 00 23:51:06 MET
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> cause the fault to the author.
>
> He refused to acknowledge that his program would ever fail. He NEVER
> TESTED the program with this font and never reproduced the failure.
>
> He refused to refund the money. I had to stop using the program
>
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:20:35 GMT
From: nomail@rob.knoware.nl (Rob Janssen)
Subject: BEWARE - 'Radioraft' Software (author is a pain in the neck)
Ralph Mowery <rmowery@dialpoint.net> wrote:
>So what ? Look at all the flaws in the Microsoft stuff. Biggest
>softwear company and even they can not get it all to work all the time
>in every case.
But then it is widely known (and proclaimed by themselves) that Microsoft's
target isn't to write software that works all the time in every case.
Their priority isn't with fixing wellknown problems, but with adding new
features to new versions, in a manner that will leave users of old versions
in the cold with incompatabilities.
So, when your Windows95 with Office package does everything you want except
it has some flaws that you would like to see fixed, what they do instead is
release new software that will write documents that you are not able to
read. So more and more you cannot read docments sent by your correspondents.
When you have shelled out the cash to upgrade, you will find that 30%
of the flaws have been fixed, but there are now many more new flaws.
Even worse: while the old flaws sometimes crashed your system at unexpected
moments, the newfangled flaws are often security problems that allow the
rest of the world to take over your computer and erase all its files.
That is what Microsoft calls "Innovation".
Rob
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:47:37 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
<horseshoestew@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8kh5hg$vrc$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <i44omssrn1mrsnr3nhfpr8copplvtoedlo@4ax.com>,
> Aaron Jones wrote:
> > >(Please see the name of this newsgroup ...)
> >
> > Which one? You're posting to two...
>
> Oops! :^0 You got him!
You are serious aren't you?
"radio.amateur". Both newsgroups. Duh.
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... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:46:08 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
<Aaron Jones> wrote in message
news:i44omssrn1mrsnr3nhfpr8copplvtoedlo@4ax.com...
> "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote:
> >In what way does the internet involve ham radio?
>
> Stick "ham radio" in any search engine and find out...
>
> >(Please see the name of this newsgroup ...)
>
> Which one? You're posting to two...
See the names of BOTH newsgroups ... duh ...
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... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:50:39 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
<horseshoestew@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8kh34u$uav$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <dpjnmsgogaibqb52l9s6pt8ff6slko5bid@4ax.com>,
> Brian Kelly <kelly@dvol.com> wrote:
>
> > Right on the money, well said Jeff! This whole NG is a brawl between
> > disparate cultures. Those of us who do radio because it's radio also
> > do the dialup/ISDN/DSL or whatever side of personal and hobby
> > communications, we know what's up on both sides of the coin. But we
> > might as well be talking to our pet rocks when we try to explain to
> > the digigeeks that, for one instance, neighborhood VHF/UHF Internet
> > portals ain't radio in the first place plus we could care less because
> > we already have Internet access.
>
> If there is a "ham radio" involved in the equation - then it IS ham
> radio. When you talk thru the local repeater's phone patch - is THAT
> not ham radio?
When you use that patch to call a ham, does he send you a QSL?
> Of course it is, and so is using radios to "patch" thru
> the Internet to other radio gateways - the transmission medium is just
> a little different, that's all. I guess it is just too reliable, and
> too easy for some of you guys - you just HAVE to do things the hard
> way, or just don't like change. Pretty stupid, if you ask me.
"... don't like change ..." ???
Hams have used the telephone for a really long time, since there was any
ham radio. That is OLD and TIRED technology. Doing the things you
can do with the telephone OVER HAM RADIO is new technology.
Try it! It is fun, and it is radio (see the name of this newsgroup, whichever
one you happen to read this posting in (never end a sentence with a
preposition, so I won't)).
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... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:45:27 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
<horseshoestew@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8kh2pj$u8h$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <6lOa5.5024$qX6.421301@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote:
> > The general public can in fact use the telephone and the internet.
> > So doing those things is not "doing ham radio."
>
> If there is a "ham radio" involved in the equation - then it IS ham
> radio. When you talk thru the local repeater's phone patch - is THAT
> not ham radio? Of course it is, and so is using radios to "patch" thru
> the Internet to other radio gateways - the transmission medium is just
> a little different, that's all. I guess it is just too reliable, and
> too easy for some of you guys - you just HAVE to do things the hard
> way, or just don't like change. Pretty stupid, if you ask me.
>
> > ... Hank
>
> Stewart - N0MHS
Yeah right.
That telephone link you use via the repeater is ham radio?
Gimme a break.
Connecting to a local gateway system in the UK, then over the internet,
and then out another gateway system in NZ is ham radio too?
"Gee, I just worked New Zealand on two meters! The band is open!"
Does the ARRL accept that QSL card for DXCC?
No? Imagine my surprise.
The point about the internet gateways is simple: sure they are fun,
sure you and the other ham involved MIGHT be using ham radio
for the uplink and downlink, but what's the point? All either one of
you did was make a local contact on some VHF/UHF band.
Whoop-de-doo, big deal. Nearly zero radio skill involved.
Do the same thing with all links via ham radio and I'll give some
ham (the creators of the gateways) a bit of credit ...
"... the transmission medium is just a little different ..." ???
Yes, it IS different. It is not radio! Duh.
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