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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 00 00:19:50 MET
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From: pa2aga@pe1mvx.ampr.org
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refuse to
> post messages by those who you attack (me in this case)
> when we are trying to clarify and straighten out your obvious
misunderstandings.
What nets are you talking about? What "... broadcast media..." ? CBS? NBC?
CNN?
> The WinLink group has done more in the recent past for the betterment and
growth
> of the HAM community than anyone I
> know of. I don't know if you feel threatened or abandoned
> or what it is, but you sure are not making friends with the kind
> of bullshit you send around.
I'm not the one who feels threatened.
> I suggest you study and learn what WinLink 2000 is really all about - you
might be very surprised.
Did that, no surprises.
> Do as you wish, just shut up and stop playing god.
Afraid of the truth?
> Hans - N8PGR
Perhaps the following is what he's talking about?
> Hank, if you don't mind this post it on the newsgroups
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: N8PGR@winlink.org [mailto:N8PGR@winlink.org]
> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 05:48
> To: n0zo@lcia.com
> Cc: pmbo@observatory3.stmarys.ca
> Subject: Re: On the snoozegroups
>
>
> Pat,
>
> Please forward my reply to the sender of this original message.
>
> All,
>
> You guys are missing the boat altogether with this gossip talk. WinLink 2000
> is 100% BBS compliant with any style BBS on the market known to man. There
> is NOTHIG proprietary about anything WL2K does or can do. At present we
> support any Pactor and Packet modulation schemes available. Clover may be
> added in the future if enough interest exists.
See your point 3. below. Please explain how WinLink is "compliant" if it
does not allow for "... interactive keyboarding ...", which is the main focus
of traditional BBS systems.
> Now granted, with WL2K with have moved FORWARD a giant leap by doing three
> very important things:
> 1. Intra BBS forwarding is removed from the airwaves so that USERS can use
> the spectrum for what it is intended to be. I'm sure you have read the
> bitching from the PSK group about this subject.
What a giggle. "We're the good guys, we avoid using ham radio!"
> 2. NEW features have been added to allow more efficient forwarding of
> information between WL2K base stations and the users. True, presently only
> AirMail has adopted these features, however, the specs are public and anyone
> is welcome to join the bandwagon.
Presumably you have bulk compressed forwarding now?
That "... giant leap ..." was done many years ago in all the BBS codes
I know of, except for WinLink.
> 3. The only feature removed from WinLink 2000 is interactive keyboarding
> with a base station, again, to promote more efficient use of the airwaves.
> Since client software is free and readily available to anyone who wishes to
> use it there is simply no need for keyboarding any longer.
So it is not possible to use, for example, Linux to connect with WinLink?
> Any use of words like alliances, private, proprietary, commercial or
> whatever is pure nonsense. Yes, we are taking advantage of the best
> technology has to offer and employ such technology to the fullest in the HAM
> world - what's wrong with that?
Um ... you have me confused with someone else.
What "... technology ..." do you mean? The internet? What a giggle.
> Hans - N8PGR
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Mid: 129061_CMBO
> From: SMTP:n0zo@lcia.com
> To: SMTP:"K4CJX - Steve Waterman" <k4cjx@home.com>;N8PGR@N8PGR
> Sent: 06/16/00 03:25:00
> Subject: On the snoozegroups
>
> I found the below on the newsgroups, Ole Hank strikes again. It was
> entitled:
> N0ZO no longer longer supports keyboard inputs.
>
> Path:
> news1.atlantic.net!pants.skycache.com!newsfeed2.skycache.com!newsfeed.skycac
> he.com!Cidera!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MI
> SMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.ne
> t.POSTED!not-for-mail
> From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
> Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
> References: <wgFY4.10775$ND5.640240@news20.bellglobal.com>
> <393375B5.638FFC9A@philips.com> <sj7a95rl5pj146@corp.supernews.com>
> Subject: Re: N0ZO no longer supports Keyboard inputs!
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> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 20:02:51 GMT
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> Xref: news1.atlantic.net rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:38796
>
>
> "Steve Sampson" <ssampson@usa-site.net> wrote in message
> news:sj7a95rl5pj146@corp.supernews.com...
> > The purpose of a BBS is to collect and distribute messages of
> > a public nature. The purpose of an electronic mail node, is to
> > collect and distribute both public and private messages.
>
> WinLink stations CAN do both, but normally only handle private messages.
>
> > I propose that you want to do that at the highest speed, thus
> > you want to compress the data on the transport frequency.
> > By allowing non-compressed users on the same frequency, you
> > defeat the whole purpose of achieving maximum through-put.
>
> The WinLink "transport frequency" is the internet. All RF use of WinLink
> in it's "AirMail" incarnation is from user to host. i.e. it's a bunch of
> RF email drops hanging off the internet.
>
> > We have to trust fellow Hams to do the right thing. We trust
> > them every day to not commercialize the spectrum, using modes
> > that can't be monitored directly.
>
> Har!
>
> > I think when Hams finally accept high speed data pipes as
> > carrying pure data, it will be the day they enter the 20th Century.
>
> As opposed to "impure data"?
>
> > If you don't want people to send "data" over your data system,
> > then don't put up a node. If all you want is to be a limit on
> > what Hams can transport, you're in the wrong hobby.
>
> You failed to understand the main point below:
>
> > "Markus Lenggenhager" wrote
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > My personal opinion is that this WinLink2000-AirMail alliance is
> > > definitely going in the wrong direction. Ham BBSs should be accessible
> > > using any commonly available client software.
>
> Ever since the original author of WinLink allowed someone else to
> take over development of the system, it has moved more and more
> toward a closed, proprietary system. Forcing (or attempting to force)
> the use of WinLink-specific clients appears to just be part of the
> strategy: to lock out competing software. Keep in mind that the commercial
> use of WinLink and similar systems can produce a good deal of income.
> You only need to "beat" Inmarsat on price, which is probably not hard.
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