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criticism of Brian is beyond unfounded. Further, why did you see fit to
expand the newsgroups line to include .policy and .misc ?
> Maybe I'm being too critical of you. You may have been the one to get
> us IP addresses in the first place? Let the genie out the bottle, eh?
> Anyway, I think you 'ought to be a little bit more open to expanding
> amateur use of the Internet. It really is the future, you know. If we
> can't expand in the area of digial
Frankly, I think you're way off-base. Amateurs don't have some magic ticket
to mobile data communications, perhaps you've never seen a Motorola
PageWriter 2000X, or a RIM Blackberry, or an i-mode telephone?
--
Dana K6JQ DoD #j
Dana@Source.Net
>.
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:37:26 -0800
From: "Dana H. Myers K6JQ" <dana@source.net>
Subject: Digital Amateur Radio License
horseshoestew@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> In article <38C97567.84C2526B@source.net>,
> "Dana H. Myers K6JQ" <dana@source.net> wrote:
> > Frankly, I think you're way off-base. Amateurs don't have some magic
> ticket
> > to mobile data communications, perhaps you've never seen a Motorola
> > PageWriter 2000X, or a RIM Blackberry, or an i-mode telephone?
>
> No, but I HAVE seen a Kenwood TH-D7A:
>
> http://www.kenwood.net/ama_page.cfm
>
> Now, if they would only drop the price to $249 - the GOLDEN AGE could
> begin!!!
Pagewriter information:
http://commerce.motorola.com/cgi-
bin/ncommerce3/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr=13&cgmenbr=126
RIM Blackberry:
http://www.rim.net/products/overview/index.html#BlackBerry
DoCoMo i-mode:
http://www.nttdocomo.com/ser2.htm
There's a lot more out there than APRS in your hand.
--
Dana K6JQ DoD #j
Dana@Source.Net
>.
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:05:18 GMT
From: horseshoestew@my-deja.com
Subject: Digital Amateur Radio License
In article <38C97567.84C2526B@source.net>,
"Dana H. Myers K6JQ" <dana@source.net> wrote:
> horseshoestew@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > In article <8abd71$rc3$1@karoshi.ucsd.edu>,
> > brian@karoshi.ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor) wrote:
> > >
> > > Ham radio is essentially irrelevent to modern emergency and
disaster
> > > communications, as you very well know. We hams have little or
nothing
> > > to offer anymore; our services have been eclipsed by modern
technology
> > > in the hands of professionals.
> > >
> > > ampr.org and the amprnet are primarily for research, development,
and
> > > recreation. It should not be depended upon for production or
safety
> > use.
> > > - Brian
> >
> > Hey, Brian - are you still the amateur radio IP address coordinator?
> >
> > You have a point when you say Ham radio is essentially irrelevent to
> > modern emergency and disaster communications - but yet it does have
SOME
> > relevance that shouldn't be totally ruled out. And the fact that we
> > COULD hook into the Internet, could bring amateur emergency
> > communications into the 21st century - as YOU very well know.
> >
> > Last time I remember(back in '95, I think it was) you were being
very
> > stingy with handing out IP addresses to amateurs. I had to really
fight
> > to get a set of 8-bit subnet addresses. It sounded like you were
> > working to refarm the addresses for commercial purposes. That kind
of
> > sounds like a conflict of interest to me. This isn't why you are so
> > against the expansion of amateur use of the Internet - is it?
>
> Based on my personal experience as a regional coordinator, I believe
this
> criticism of Brian is beyond unfounded. Further, why did you see fit
to
> expand the newsgroups line to include .policy and .misc ?
Actually, I wasn't being critical. I was just raising a question.
I expanded newsgroups, because I think it relates to policy, and ham
radio in general. If we can't hook amateur radio into the Internet, we
might as well fold up the tent. If we CAN hook amateur radio into the
Internet, we are in for another GOLDEN AGE OF HAM RADIO.
> > Maybe I'm being too critical of you. You may have been the one to
get
> > us IP addresses in the first place? Let the genie out the bottle,
eh?
> > Anyway, I think you 'ought to be a little bit more open to expanding
> > amateur use of the Internet. It really is the future, you know. If
we
> > can't expand in the area of digial
>
> Frankly, I think you're way off-base. Amateurs don't have some magic
ticket
> to mobile data communications, perhaps you've never seen a Motorola
> PageWriter 2000X, or a RIM Blackberry, or an i-mode telephone?
No, but I HAVE seen a Kenwood TH-D7A:
http://www.kenwood.net/ama_page.cfm
Now, if they would only drop the price to $249 - the GOLDEN AGE could
begin!!!
> --
> Dana K6JQ DoD #j
> Dana@Source.Net
Stewart Teaze - N0MHS
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Before you buy.
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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:34:07 GMT
From: horseshoestew@my-deja.com
Subject: Digital Amateur Radio License
In article <38C98736.6EC70272@source.net>,
"Dana H. Myers K6JQ" <dana@source.net> wrote:
> horseshoestew@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > In article <38C97567.84C2526B@source.net>,
> > "Dana H. Myers K6JQ" <dana@source.net> wrote:
>
> > > Frankly, I think you're way off-base. Amateurs don't have some
magic
> > ticket
> > > to mobile data communications, perhaps you've never seen a
Motorola
> > > PageWriter 2000X, or a RIM Blackberry, or an i-mode telephone?
> >
> > No, but I HAVE seen a Kenwood TH-D7A:
> >
> > http://www.kenwood.net/ama_page.cfm
> >
> > Now, if they would only drop the price to $249 - the GOLDEN AGE
could
> > begin!!!
>
> Pagewriter information:
>
http://commerce.motorola.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr
=13&cgmenbr=126
>
> RIM Blackberry:
> http://www.rim.net/products/overview/index.html#BlackBerry
>
> DoCoMo i-mode:
> http://www.nttdocomo.com/ser2.htm
>
> There's a lot more out there than APRS in your hand.
Come on now. A laptop going thru a 9.6kbps or 56kbps amateur network
would be MUCH better and cheaper than these "services"(if we could
reach critical mass - which wouldn't be that hard at all). Of course
we would have to limit ourselves to non-commercial websites, e-mail,
and file transfers, and services like APRS - but there COULD be PLENTY
to keep a ham amused, and his peers amazed, and lure more young,
digitally competent people into the ham ranks. Why the heck the ARRL
and TAPR are not putting an effort into supporting something like this,
by gearing there web pages to mobile RF access, is beyond me. We are
missing a GOLDEN opportunity. I suppose most everyone with any
knowledge of digital communications isn't wasting their time with a
non-profit amateur service(even APRS is a mess). These kids can be
making a bundle in the technical industry these days. It is too bad
that most of the retired old hams are too old to learn new tricks -
they could be a valuable resourse to help make this happen - but many
of them seem to be content drooling on their CW sending keys, and
crying about "bitter dregs".
> --
> Dana K6JQ DoD #j
> Dana@Source.Net
>
Stewart - N0MHS
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