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> RF forwarding' sort of message. Is it that kind of thing? Or what is the
> supposed motivation here?
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:39:26 -0500
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net>
Subject: Let's look at real numbers for TNC software sales
pmarkham <pmarkham@newsguy.com> wrote in message >
>
>
> Free will exists, so I do not associate with known baby rapers.
Starting to feel unwelcome? Hmmmm?
Awww.... Think I'm gonna cry.
--
Charles Brabham, N5PVL
N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
http://www.texoma.net/~n5pvl
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:31:00 -0700
From: "Cathryn Mataga" <cathryn@junglevision.com>
Subject: Let's look at real numbers for TNC software sales
Don wrote in message <37F41B62.29E380AC@neo.rr.com>...
>Among other things, he mungs/deletes SOME of the R: lines so that it is
>impossible to trace a message and/or a BID/MID change. He mungs the message
so
>that it appears to be from a different home bbs than is actual, so the BBS
"REPLY"
>commands are rendered inoperable. He adds characters and line feeds in
violation
>of the BBS spec. He refuses to pass WP messages of any sort. He also held
>messages for up to a week before they get forwarded. (Talk about STORE and
>forward!) And yes, there is the useless (advertising) tag line.
Interesting. I'm a little confused by what to do with WP messages myself. I
think
it says on the f6fbb web site that it's not a good idea to forward WP over HF,
though I'm not sure why it says that -- why your nemesis there doesn't
forward
them, why you want them to be forwarded or what they do at all, come to think
of it. I've just been burying the WP messages on my system -- mostly since
I'm more nervous about dumping a bunch of junk on the network, than missing
out on whatever they're supposed to do, exactly.
It does sound like he has some funky software setup going on there or
something.
He might be sending the messages over Pactor with custom code
and in the process they're picking up or losing line feeds or carraige
returns or something. (I'm dealing with some of this right now, and am still
a little unsure how the real BBS's function with all the control
characters.) It seems like Linux machines tend to do things one way, with
line feeds, and DOS machines send carraige returns or something. I don't
completely get it yet.
> On the tag line issue, as far as I am concerned, they are absolutely
>unnecessary. I will probably never financially support your friend's
Westnet. I
>have no need for WinPac/WinLink, and I don't need a tag line on a message
telling
>me to support AMSAT, I already do.
>
>This is supposed to be a hobby, where one can have fun and provide a service
as
>well. If the HF routes are unreliable, it is a problem, not fun. As a bbs
sysop,
>I have chosen to take the path of message delivery service, and am unwilling
to
>accept a message that I can not be reasonably assured that it will be
delivered.
>If AX/IP is the reliable route, that's the way it will go out of this
system.
>Under the current conditions, I have no other choice.
I understand, you gotta' do what you gotta' do. HF is just funky and there
are some
tricky network issues here -- since these links can be pretty intermittant
even without bugs.
I wonder if the 2 week hold was due to him having his system set to require
setting
the forward flag manuallly for everything -- or whether this was the result of
propagation being not so good. It seems like PBBS is really designed assuming
that every link is 100% guaranteed to work -- where with HF, you have a sort
of
statistical chance of the message getting through. And maybe we need some
sort of backwards channel to know whether messages are getting backlogged
at HF ports or whether propagation to remote systems is possible or whatever.
That's just a thought.
>
>
>Cathryn Mataga wrote:
>
>> Don wrote in message <37F3DE03.A4D44210@neo.rr.com>...
>>
>> >Now Hank, before you get your bathwater hot, your HF "winlink" buddy to my
>> >north distorts and changes the body of messages. He also will not accept
>> >several classes of bulletins or personal messages. I don't prefer to send
>> >messages into a black hole where I know in advance they will be distorted.
I
>> >prefer to deliver the messages via a source that will get them there in
their
>> >original form.
>>
>> Interesting. How exactly are the messages being changed? Is this guy
going
>> in and changing the words around? Or are lines disapearing?
>> Or is he putting a tagline at the bottom of messages.
>> I know the woman who does the satellite gateway here sticks a 'please
support
>> Amsat' tag on messages that go through her system. Someone else here on
>> this side of the continent sticks in a 'Forwarded by Westnet. Please
support
>> RF forwarding' sort of message. Is it that kind of thing? Or what is the
>> supposed motivation here?
>
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:08:24 -0500
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net>
Subject: Let's look at real numbers for TNC software sales
Don <dnelsch@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:37F41B62.29E380AC@neo.rr.com...
> Moronic, whining excuses deleted.<
> This is supposed to be a hobby, where one can have fun and provide a
service > as well.
And that hobby's NAME is? Hint: It's "Ham RADIO".
Ever notice how the name of a hobby and it's function are generally somehow
related?
Using your retarded substitute for "logic", I suppose that hang-gliding
enthusiasts should always fly in 747's because they are "faster and more
reliable", and doing so can only enhance their enjoyment of the hobby,
right?
Did you study to be a moron, or does it just come to you naturally?
>If the HF routes are unreliable, it is a problem, not fun.
Yes, it's known as the challenge of Ham Radio.
Something that you obviously do not measure up to.
And with the jealousy common to those like yourself, you intend to see to it
that nobody else can do it either, if you can't.
What a jerk.
>As a bbs sysop,
> I have chosen to take the path of message delivery service, and am
unwilling to
> accept a message that I can not be reasonably assured that it will be
delivered.
....And unwilling to pass on messages you are too stupid or lazy to route via
Amateur Radio, instead routing them over a non-ham network so that no other
Ham can do so either.
What a jerk.
> If AX/IP is the reliable route, that's the way it will go out of this
system.
Nothing wrong with using AX/IP to route Amateur Radio traffic, as long as
it's done over RADIO.
Remember the name of the hobby, by the way?
> Under the current conditions, I have no other choice.
Yes, I agree... It looks like you are pretty well stuck with being a
clueless jerk.
--
73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
http://www.texoma.net/~n5pvl
>.
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