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>Perhaps you would like to include in your column information about our
>TCP/IP Amateur Radio Network that we have here in Athens. It is called
>ATHnet and TCP/IP over radio is thriving over here.
>So here are a few words about it Ian:
>
Demetre, this is EXACTLY the kind of information I'm looking for. It's
most interesting -- you've achieved a great deal there -- and it will
certainly be included in the column.
73
Ian, G3NRW
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:44:32 +0100
From: "Gary Peach" <xcg34@dial.pipex.com>
Subject: "Data" Column in RadCom
Ian Wade wrote ...
> Jim Dunnett writes
> >Do a couple of column-inches on the upgrade?
>
> I'll take a look.
You better take a rule Ian :-)
Gary7SLL
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 02:03:53 GMT
From: Mike Wiley <nospam-wb5gmk@flash-nospam.net>
Subject: 56k UHF-100W / 19.2K VHF -50W
Wanted Ericcson to build a AMATEUR NODE SYSTEM;
must have in one box.
1. 56k baud 100w UHF port, PC freq programmable single channel.
2. 19.2k 50w VHF port, PC freq programmable single channel.
3. serial port or network interface for use with PC NOT reqd for NODE.
4. Modular construction for ease of repair/adaptablility to site.
5. Price to amateur clubs less than $1000.00.
Matching 5-50w adj. single channel 19.2kb VHF Radio with built-in TNC
thats sells for no more than $180.00
Ok would that get our networks back up?
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:32:36 -0500
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net>
Subject: 56k UHF-100W / 19.2K VHF -50W
Mike Wiley <nospam-wb5gmk@flash-nospam.net> wrote in message
news:37F2C62B.2B823409@flash.net...
> Wanted Ericcson to build a AMATEUR NODE SYSTEM;
> must have in one box.
> 1. 56k baud 100w UHF port, PC freq programmable single channel.
> 2. 19.2k 50w VHF port, PC freq programmable single channel.
> 3. serial port or network interface for use with PC NOT reqd for NODE.
> 4. Modular construction for ease of repair/adaptablility to site.
> 5. Price to amateur clubs less than $1000.00.
>
> Matching 5-50w adj. single channel 19.2kb VHF Radio with built-in TNC
> thats sells for no more than $180.00
>
> Ok would that get our networks back up?
It sounds like a great idea, Mike.
- But I do not believe that a lack of equipment is the big sticking point.
The setup you described sounds excellent and should be pursued, but it will
not get our networks back up, in itself. (OTOH, it sure can't hurt, either!)
Your best bet to see rapid progress is to lobby for the "Anti-Lid Law" that
I recently proposed here on this ng in the post entitled "Anti-Lid Law".
Check it out. Nobody who has a positive, caring attitude about Amateur Radio
could possibly have any valid objection to it.
Basically if you want to see our network fly again, you will have to expose
the US tcpip community. Shine a bit of light on their negativity and
ignorance. Point out the way their negativity and ignorance is hurting Ham
Radio, Hams, and Ham Radio manufacturers in the US.
These clowns are EXTREMELY predictable about this behavior. - It's all they
appear to know how to do. Point it out to your fellow Hams. All US Hams
should know where the "Radio is not good enough for Ham Radio" attitude in
the US Packet community is coming from and how it is being perpetuated. Once
the LandLine Lid behavior pattern is pointed out and understood, it's pretty
hard to miss.
Talk to the FCC. Talk to the ARRL. Tell them you've had enough negativity
and lame-o excuses and want to see some folks with positive, caring
attitudes about Amateur Packet Radio get an even chance at running things
for a change.
Greg Jones, president of TAPR has, on many occasions, expressed his disdain
for the US Packet network, and in fact of ANY large-scale packet network. -
Do you see any reason to tolerate or support any organization that
admittedly is working in direct opposition to your goals as Ham? If not,
SPEAK UP about it!
As long as LandLine Lids are tolerated, and allowed to urinate all over
Amateur Radio with their crappy attitudes, their negativity, their
ignorance, their endless excuses, their baseless "mantras" (anti-ham
propaganda) and their seeming determination to undermine and destroy the
hobby at all costs, we are not likely to see any progress on the US packet
net.
Manufacturers associated with Ham Radio will continue to see hard times, and
the US will continue to be the laughingstock of the global Packet Radio
community.
Want to see a change for the better? Support the US Packet Radio net, and
show no tolerance for those who do not.
There IS one place in the US where the Packet net is growing and advancing
again.-- The one place where US Hams decided to quit tolerating and
listening to "LandLine Lids", rejected their way of thinking altogether, and
simply started building and enjoying the Packet Net again.
Hank Oredson suggested that the best bet is to simply ignore the LandLine
Lid types and start building the Packet Net despite their efforts. That's an
excellent suggestion, and it is working just fine in the NE USA.
To see RAPID progress on a national scale, get behind me on the "Anti-Lid
Law", and push.
--
73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
http://www.texoma.net/~n5pvl
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:58:19 GMT
From: nomail@pe1chl.demon.nl (Rob Janssen)
Subject: 56k UHF-100W / 19.2K VHF -50W
Mike Wiley <nospam-wb5gmk@flash-nospam.net> wrote:
>Wanted Ericcson to build a AMATEUR NODE SYSTEM;
>must have in one box.
>1. 56k baud 100w UHF port, PC freq programmable single channel.
>2. 19.2k 50w VHF port, PC freq programmable single channel.
>3. serial port or network interface for use with PC NOT reqd for NODE.
>4. Modular construction for ease of repair/adaptablility to site.
>5. Price to amateur clubs less than $1000.00.
>Matching 5-50w adj. single channel 19.2kb VHF Radio with built-in TNC
>thats sells for no more than $180.00
>Ok would that get our networks back up?
I fail to see how such a box would fit in a network node... or are you
suggesting to start a network *now* that is layed out like the network the
SV station described yesterday?
A successful network has nodes linked to 3 or more neighbors on dedicated
duplex links, plus one or more user access channels.
The dedicated links do not require 100w. The user access most likely does
not require 50w.
Your "node in a box" has very limited usability and no extensibilty.
Much more useful: have several types of "data transceivers", i.e. a
transceiver including a modem and the controlling electronics, and have
them interface on a standard bus. There should be "link transceivers"
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