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software, so figured it was time to rattle the usual cages again.
Weather is perfect, a couple antennas need work, so I'm outa
here for awhile. Maybe I'll add 80M to the scan list this week.
--
... Hank - W0RLI
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:04:57 -0500
From: "Peter O. Brackett" <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Double Posts!
Hank:
Have fun with the antennas and remember don't be too hard on your fellow
hams.
It is not just the amateur radio hobby where the "few" work hard to benefit
the "many".
Everyone acknowledges the great efforts that the principal contributors like
yourself and others make to our hobby.
But you know the story. . . . work, wife, kids, church, television,
Internet, sports, other hobbies, and not much time is left for the average
ham to make major contributions to the hobby.
Those who do make major contributions are like the "saints" or "legends" of
any hobby. As you know well, they do it mainly for the self satisfaction,
and maybe a little business on the side.
Best Regards,
Peter AB4BC
Hank Oredson <horedson@att.net> wrote in message
news:7squrs$eqc$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net...
>
> Peter O. Brackett <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:7sqmsb$rrn@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com...
> > Charles:
> >
> > Are you speaking from both sides of your keyboard?
> >
> > [Said in jest!]
> >
> > Charles even though we don't see keyboard to keyboard, I enjoy the
> > interaction.
> >
> > I know you love radio, and I do not question your motives, but your
> efforts
> > are misguided and in the current political and regulatory climates will
> > simply lead to further decay.
> >
> > Change is necessary.
>
> My opinion: it won't happen.
> Impossible to get the organization required.
> Groups with national and international visibility not interested.
> Heck, even NTS uses internet links now. What a joke.
>
> Some of us continue to build working network, for fun, as we
> have from the start.
>
> Most of the folks who post here don't have the (insert favorite
> phrase for "Hams too lazy to actually do anything") to contribute
> but we do gain the occasional ham willing to put forth the effort
> involved to get something new up and running.
>
> I post here for amusement between projects. Got kinda burned out
> cleaning up old tired 9600 baud links and working on the current
> software, so figured it was time to rattle the usual cages again.
>
> Weather is perfect, a couple antennas need work, so I'm outa
> here for awhile. Maybe I'll add 80M to the scan list this week.
>
> --
>
> ... Hank - W0RLI
>
> http://horedson.home.att.net
>
>
>
>.
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Date: 27 Sep 1999 06:12:51 GMT
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:03:50 -0500
From: Charles Fregeau <n5hsr@sprynet.com>
Subject: Ham tcpip network = pipedream
PMFJI again. I know you have been a ham roughly about as long as I have, but
there was a tounge-in-cheek article in the April CQ one year that actually
advocated this. It was a back issue I picked up at a hamfest somewhere in the
'70's. It is almost scary. Advocate something totally silly, like a random
dialing system to imitate DX, and lo and behold it comes true! <g>
Charles N5HSR
Charles Brabham wrote:
> Having trouble getting those last few contacts for your DXCC? Use the
> Telephone!
>
> It's easy! It's fast! It costs less! It requires no
> knowledge or ability whatsoever!
>
> Still can't talk to those rare and distant countries on 10
> meters, even with an expensive new tribander?
> Use the Telephone!
>
> Do you have NTS Health 'n Welfare traffic which must be moved to a
> recipient several hundred miles away? Use the Telephone!
>
> Want to build an Amateur Radio Digital Network? Use the Telephone!
>
> Want to reliably communicate with distant Hams while radiating
> a minimum of RF? Use the Telephone!
>
> For some strange reason, in every aspect of Amateur Radio
> except Packet, it is widely recognized that using the Telephone is not an
> appropriate response to the challenges we face as Ham Radio operators.
> Everywhere else, there is an unspoken understanding that as Hams, we are
> expected to be clever in our use of Radio and in the process of
> overcoming those challenges, advance the art and better ourselves as
> persons.
>
> Why is it, I wonder, that the type of information we transmit
> (Digital as opposed to Analog) makes any difference in this matter? Why is
> it "OK" to bypass and undermine the use of Radio by Hams who want to
> transmit Digital info, but not "OK" to do so for Analog stuff?
>
> Is there a particular reason why advancing the art of Amateur Radio in
> respect to moving Digital info is deemed to be of less importance to us as
> Hams? Is there any logic behind the widely-held perception that
> as long as you are handling Digital info, it doesn't really matter (As a
> Ham) whether you use Radio to communicate or not?
>
> In places where the regs specify that non-ham means of
> communication not be allowed within the Amateur Radio Digital Net, there has
> been unchecked progress and advancement over the last decade.
> In those places where the use of Packet/Internet gateways have not been
> regulated though, the opposite has happened and Network
> infrastructure has been severely compromised while Hams have lost interest
> and heart in large numbers. This is what has happened to the USA, Australia,
> and other places where "packet hackers" have been given a free hand to do as
> they wish.
>
> I have read about FlexNet nodes in Europe which regularly handle 10
> Megabytes per hour and more of traffic. That represents a high level of both
> physical and technical development and advancement, along with a high level
> of interest and enjoyment among the individual Packet ops there.
>
> The difference is infrastructure. Use the Telephone instead of
> Radio, and infrastructure is what you give up. Sure, it's a challenge to
> build a digital network; It's expensive, difficult, frustrating, and
> sometimes appears to be impossible. The alternative though, is the
> mediocrity which follows those who prefer to cop out, cheat, and
> cheapen themselves while they undercut others.
>
> I just don't see why our response to the challenges we face as Hams should
> be different when wanting to move Digital as opposed to Analog information.
>
> I do not see why Hams using Radio is treated as being less important in the
> US than it is in Europe.
>
> --
>
> 73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
> N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
> http://www.texoma.net/~n5pvl
>.
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:36:54 GMT
From: nw7us@hfradio.removethispart.org (Tomas - NW7US)
Subject: Help: Knowcode.org
Howdy,
Does anyone know what happened to the knowcode.org site? Is it moved? Is
there a better url?
Thanks. (You may email me at nw7us@hfradio.removethispart.org by removing the
remove part of the address)
73!
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