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I don't know, and don't care, what our users do when they aren't using
our network. It's none of my business, and has nothing to do with our
network.
>Are you claiming that all of those communications with "the rest of the
>world" are strictly via Amateur Radio, and that no Internet links are used
>to, let's say, communicate with and within other tcpip LANS, download packet
>bulletins via telnet, or perhaps telnet to join in on distant ham radio
>converse servers? Hmmm?
>
>Come on, now, Gary.... 'Fess up!
I'll say this just once. To my knowledge, our network has *never* been
linked to another distant amateur network via landlines. Period. That
was never part of the network design.
>Caught you, old boy. I knew I had you by the short 'n curlies when you
>started sounding desperate and substituted name calling for rational debate.
No, you didn't catch me you stupid son of a bitch.
Gary
Gary Coffman KE4ZV | You make it |mail to ke4zv@bellsouth.net
534 Shannon Way | We break it |
Lawrenceville, GA | Guaranteed |
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 14:45:58 -0500
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net>
Subject: Let's look at real numbers for TNC software sales
Brian Mullaney <mullaneb@tecoma.mccc.edu> wrote in message
news:7sirfc$mp0$1@lawrenceville.mccc.edu...
>
> > Are you claiming that all of those communications with "the rest of the
> > world" are strictly via Amateur Radio, and that no Internet links are
> > used to, let's say, communicate with and within other tcpip LANS,
> > download packet bulletins via telnet, or perhaps telnet to join in on
> > distant ham radio converse servers? Hmmm?
>
> Thanks for confirming what Gary said, Charles. You don't know the
> difference between the network and applications which run over it.
Thanks for confirming that ham radio is not involved in any of the
communications I mentioned, Brian. I knew Gary was a LandLine Lid, and he
knew it, and now you have confirmed it for us all. It figures that Gary
would try so hard to weasel... He knows he's in the wrong.
You can hang any name on it you want to, or try to weasel around like Greg
Jones, but the fact remains that "Amateur Telephone" is an ignorant,
backward practice that can only serve to further set back the US packet net,
already severely damaged by the antics of the Lids who practice it.
This is widely recognized everywhere except within the isolated, provincial
US tcpip community, and within an equally ignorant bunch in Australia. Only
the people actually doing the damage have proven to be too ignorant to
understand the fact, or perhaps too lacking in character to care.
The US and Australian packet nets have both diminished and gone to the dogs
where the practice is tolerated, and grown where it is not. The rest of the
world has not suffered so severely from this outbreak of self-absorbed
ignorance, and so their packet nets have generally kept right on growing and
developing.
In other words, you and Gary are on the "side" that has nothing to show for
itself except decline and decay brought on by ignorance, isolation and
self-centered greed, no matter what the expense to others.
Where your kind of "thinking" has taken hold, the packet net has declined
and packet users have left the hobby in droves. Where your type of thinking
is not tolerated, the packet net there has grown and developed, and
thousands of enthusiastic Hams enjoy the network every day.
Gary can be congratulated for building a slightly more elaborate isolation
from the world than most LandLine Lids manage, but in the long run he is
still divorced from the rest of the Amateur Radio community by the
limitations of his thinking.
The one and only place in the US where hams are now excited again about a
growing, developing packet net is where your kind of thinking has been
rejected and not allowed within the network. (They have tcpip of course, but
not the "LandLine Lid" variety you boys espouse). These are REAL HAMS using
amateur tcpip in a way that is beneficial to the hobby instead of a
liability.
The next step is to outlaw "Amateur Telephone" in fact, with protective
national legislation such as the European Hams enjoy.
Sorry, but Hams are becoming more sophisticated and harder to fool. They
will look at what happens where LandLine Lids are tolerated, see the
progress where they are not, and make the obvious choice.
That leaves you out.
--
73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
http://www.texoma.net/~n5pvl
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 23:50:29 GMT
From: steve_sampson@my-deja.com
Subject: Let's look at real numbers for TNC software sales
This is the "limit" theory as opposed to the "technology" theory.
Even the Central States VHF club proposes a "limit" rather than
"technology." Technology will build membership and save our spectrum.
Those who want to limit Ham radio, will destroy the hobby.
That's what Charles agenda is. He can't contribute to the service, so
he is going to destroy it by the "limit" theory. He can't destroy
anything. He's too small, and people don't want to wear white sheets,
torch crosses, or be a supremecist.
Real Hams have fun. Charles hates his hobby, and hates people who are
having fun. The best thing he could do now is to find something he
might enjoy in life. Something that is very positive, rather than
very negative. Mental health is as important as physical health.
Anyone who hates the hobby and its members, as much as he does, should
seek out mental health. Otherwise, it will destroy him. I think it
already has.
Steve
In article <7sj8np$bv1@enews2.newsguy.com>,
"Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net> wrote:
>
> Brian Mullaney <mullaneb@tecoma.mccc.edu> wrote in message
> news:7sirfc$mp0$1@lawrenceville.mccc.edu...
> >
> > > Are you claiming that all of those communications with "the rest
of the
> > > world" are strictly via Amateur Radio, and that no Internet links
are
> > > used to, let's say, communicate with and within other tcpip LANS,
> > > download packet bulletins via telnet, or perhaps telnet to join
in on
> > > distant ham radio converse servers? Hmmm?
> >
> > Thanks for confirming what Gary said, Charles. You don't know the
> > difference between the network and applications which run over it.
>
> Thanks for confirming that ham radio is not involved in any of the
> communications I mentioned, Brian. I knew Gary was a LandLine Lid,
and he
> knew it, and now you have confirmed it for us all. It figures that
Gary
> would try so hard to weasel... He knows he's in the wrong.
>
> You can hang any name on it you want to, or try to weasel around like
Greg
> Jones, but the fact remains that "Amateur Telephone" is an ignorant,
> backward practice that can only serve to further set back the US
packet net,
> already severely damaged by the antics of the Lids who practice it.
>
> This is widely recognized everywhere except within the isolated,
provincial
> US tcpip community, and within an equally ignorant bunch in
Australia. Only
> the people actually doing the damage have proven to be too ignorant to
> understand the fact, or perhaps too lacking in character to care.
>
> The US and Australian packet nets have both diminished and gone to
the dogs
> where the practice is tolerated, and grown where it is not. The rest
of the
> world has not suffered so severely from this outbreak of self-absorbed
> ignorance, and so their packet nets have generally kept right on
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