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Ham-Digital Digest Thu, 23 Sep 99 Volume 99 : Issue 239
Today's Topics:
"NOSintro" (TCP/IP over Packet Radio) back in stock (3 msgs)
Chuckles non-leadership (2 msgs)
Directions Needed For Bowie Md Hamfest
Download Ia.n.i.!!! It's free!
HELP, WHERE IS WINPACK SOFTWARE????
Help: Shutdown Fault with "Logger" (2 msgs)
help for a problem (2 msgs)
Home based local internet
Let's look at real numbers for TNC software sales (13 msgs)
Lexington, Kentucky
My 2 cents on radio/internet/A-types/B-types (2 msgs)
QUESTION 5726
TAPR/ Little LEO connection?
The Aplication Mantra (2 msgs)
Those Wide, Open Spaces (7 msgs)
What happened to tcpip gateways?
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:57:48 GMT
From: steve_sampson@my-deja.com
Subject: "NOSintro" (TCP/IP over Packet Radio) back in stock
The other brother Chuckles wrote:
>
> Wait, I'm confused. These radios cannot be used on the ham bands.
> Therefore their only use is on the ham bands?
> Did I miss something somewhere?
OK, I'll talk slower. These radio's cannot be used in the Ham bands.
> > For example...
> Is this using a ham radio band?
No. Is English your second language?
> Ah. I see. Another means to avoid building ham radio network.
> But at least in this case one can claim "it is radio".
> Can I stick an amplifier and big beam or dish on these?
> No, guess not, they are part 15.
A typical installation would be an Antenna-Vision(tm) type antenna
at a home, or a flat antenna in an apartment window. You can do
whatever the rules say. I think your English is good enough that
you can read them yourself.
> > What would you rather have us do? Use the telephone modems?
>
> No, I would rather use ham radio.
What's that going to do for us? Radio is Radio isn't it? Part 15 is
the same law as Part 97: CFR Title 47. One Title of 50 Titles. Why do
you only focus on one page of one chapter of US Law, that in total,
is the size of the Dallas Yellow pages?
Isn't our hobby about radio?
You and your other brother Chuckles keep getting narrower and narrower
in your definition of Radio every posting. Next you will say we can
only use Morse Code at 20 Wpm, before we will meet with your approval?
Here's the deal... Who gives a squat what shape you think the hobby
should be. If you don't like what other Hams are doing, piss off.
Your vote just doesn't count. No one here is going to be converted
back to the 80's for packet technology.
There's more to Ham radio than a packet BBS at 30 baud effective.
Steve, K5OKC
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:06:34 GMT
From: "Dave VanHorn" <dvanhorn@cedar.net>
Subject: "NOSintro" (TCP/IP over Packet Radio) back in stock
> There's more to Ham radio than a packet BBS at 30 baud effective.
AMEN brother!
>.
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:43:49 -0700
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: "NOSintro" (TCP/IP over Packet Radio) back in stock
Dave VanHorn <dvanhorn@cedar.net> wrote in message
news:uxbG3.5116$sK1.9242@news.rdc1.il.home.com...
>
> > There's more to Ham radio than a packet BBS at 30 baud effective.
>
> AMEN brother!
You got that right!
I keep wondering why Steve is stuck at that 30 baud?
Suspect he is trying to run digital data on his spark transmitter.
Most of us left "30 baud effective" behind 10 or 15 years ago.
But let me tell you a dirty little secret: I'm running 32 baud on HF
right now with both my radios. The data rate happens to be a LOT
faster than that 32 baud signalling rate though. Bet Steve has no
clue what I'm talking about.
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 03:18:42 GMT
From: steve_sampson@my-deja.com
Subject: Chuckles non-leadership
Chuckles wrote:
> Hardly seems like an "amateur radio" attitude at all, does it?
>
> They'll do it with the telephone; they'll even do it with non-ham
> radio! The main thing is to get that digital ham radio traffic off of
> those ham bands.
oh oh, guess you will have to come up with another hate term to
label people with! Not just the phone operators, but the wireless
radio users, are now also the new Ham niggers. The BBS boys with
their fire, crosses, and white hoods are coming to save Ham radio...
The No Clue Klux Clan?
The only thing that makes my radio illegal in Ham radio, is the rules
written by the ARRL 19 years ago. Every time you write a rule, it is
like concrete. You need time and energy to break it out.
The initial spread spectrum rules were hard fought, and were a first
step. The only organization doing anything about advancing spread
spectrum is TAPR. How many filings has Chuckles written to change
the rules to allow wide bandwidth. Wide bandwidth that allows
sharing, or cooperative use? How many Hams can use 144.39 for anything
other than APRS? None. The technology requires that you interfere
with other Hams to use the same spectrum.
> All you have to do is discourage hams from using radio to move digital
> information with any means at your disposal, up to and including
> advocating that all the data be moved by non-ham means at every
> opportunity. As long as the UHF and higher bands are made empty so
> their use by hams can be questioned... That's the main thing.
Get smart on spread spectrum now, as it will be used in the Ham bands,
and it will be used on HF, 2m, and 440, as well as microwave
frequencies. FSK will be what your grandpa used in the old days.
> And that's exactly what TAPR has accomplished under Greg's
> "leadership".
Why not run for office. You can't be a leader from the side-line,
like when your throwing peanuts at the circus, or your ex-wife.
Steve
CFR Title 47 Operator
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 04:11:38 -0500
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net>
Subject: Chuckles non-leadership
<steve_sampson@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7sc668
>
> The only thing that makes my radio illegal in Ham radio, is the rules
> written by the ARRL 19 years ago.
Gee, how clever.
--
73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
http://www.texoma.net/~n5pvl
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:15:46 -0400
From: csmolinski@erols.com (Chris Smolinski)
Subject: Directions Needed For Bowie Md Hamfest
The flier I have sez...
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