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> tend to denigrate those newbie packeteers who send "CQ for
> QSL" bulletins, but aren't they the ones who are really
> having fun?
>
> For over thirty years I have been involved in the most basic
> form of digital ham radio communications: morse code. I
> use it daily. I love it, because it is fun. It is nice to
> relax after a grueling business day in the commercial
> telecoms wars and forget all about "speed, speed, speed."
> That is what the speed freaks' so-called high speed
> "digital network" lacks. It is all work and expense, and no
> sport.
>
> Here on the the USA East Coast we have been upgrading our
> packet network to FlexNet. A lot of this is still at 1200
> baud. So what? It is analogous to upgrading sailboat
> technology. A sailboat will never compete with an ocean
> liner, but so what. That isn't the purpose of sailboating.
> There is much room for improvement in 1200 baud digital
> networking technology. Upgrading to FlexNet is one example.
> 1200 baud technology has the advantage of numbers. There
> are thousands of those TNCs out there, just waiting to be
> turned back on. Try it. Oh, and our bulletin network
> doesn't have to put up with quite as much of the insane
> garbage as found on usenet newsgroups. The upgrade to
> FlexNet was fun, I learned a lot from it, and it didn't cost
> me two arms and a leg.
>
> I tried tcp/ip a coupla years ago. I found that the only
> use for it was connecting to the internet. Big deal. No
> ham-to-ham communications going on. Who needs it? And it
> was tooooooo slow, anyway.
>
> To those who are obsessed with higher speed "bleeding edge"
> technology, I would say "go for it, but don't expect a
> whole lot of hams to follow you." They can do the same
> thing better on the internet.
>
> Bottom line, I don't agree that SPEED=DigitalHamRadio. I
> believe PersonalEnjoyment=DigitalHamRadio. Digital Ham
> Radio is NOT going to survive by becoming an appendage to
> the internet. It will have to find it's own special space.
> Stop trying to do the same stuff that you can do on the
> internet. Forget trying to be an amateur ISP. Find
> something to do that you CAN'T do on a landline, or
> something that you can do BETTER than on the landline.
> That's the answer to the future of digital ham radio.
>
> Remember the 50's, when all that left over surplus WW2 junk
> was put to new and BETTER use by the ham radio community?
>
> 73, Dan K2UL@K2UL.#SNJ.NJ.USA.NOAM
>
> "Try 1200baud Ì¢‰,ÂåÏ Life is too fragile to waste it all in the
> fast lane."
>
>
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 01:10:19 -0700
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: My 2 cents on radio/internet/A-types/B-types
k2ul <ostroyNOcfSPAM@att.net> wrote in message
news:15f8eaa0.4d9a65d3@usw-ex0108-059.remarq.com...
> [Sorry for starting a new thread, but you guys have so many
> other threads open on this subject that I just couldn't keep
> track of what I wanted to respond to. Call me Senile, or
> whateverÌ¢‰,ÂåÏ..]
>
> In a recent bulletin, good ole' Chas defined two types of
> hams, A-types who are internet junkies, and B-types, who are
> radio junkies. I would propose that there is a 3rd type.
> The C-type is interested in having fun. Ham radio is a
> sport to them. After all, in many parts of the world, ham
> radio is called "Radiosport". Why do you think DX'ing is so
> popular?
>
> I wish there were some awards for packeteering. The last
> time I posed this question, ol' Chas called me an LLL, for
> which I will never forgive him. Nuff sed. Nevertheless, we
> tend to denigrate those newbie packeteers who send "CQ for
> QSL" bulletins, but aren't they the ones who are really
> having fun?
There are plenty of awards available for contacts made using
the digital modes. WAS, WAC, DXCC, et al just for starters.
No awards for using the internet, and very few for using other
people's stations to make the contacts.
If you think hams should get awards for posting CQ bulletins
and collecting responses, my only comment is that I GET THE
AWARD TOO because my station did the actual transmitting
on ham radio. That internet stuff ain't ham radio ... <grin>.
Now you can "never forgive" me too ... there is no "DXing"
over the internet ... no RADIO awards ... no QSOs. If you
think there might be, you are fer sure a Land Line Lid.
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
>.
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 06:18:24 -0500
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net>
Subject: The Aplication Mantra
Peter O. Brackett <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:7s6pdi$n0f@dfw-ixnews21.ix.netcom.com...
> Folks:
>
> Charles:
>
> Maybe it's time for those old Rules governing ham radio which forbid
> broadcasting and retransmission of commercial material and advertising on
> the air, to be recinded. Particularily in the case of digital networking.
Remember 6-8 months ago when I was ridiculed for suggesting that the tcpip
types, almost certainly led by TAPR, would attempt to turn Amateur Radio
into another CB Zoo, just to further the "Ham ISP" idiocy?
Well, there you go, folks, right from the horse's mouth.
What I do not understand is why these people do not just migrate off to CB,
if that's what they want.
Notice how he thinks the rules should MOST PARTICULARLY be dropped for
digital networking?
Of course, we all know as hams that using Radio and following the rules are
not as important to us as when handling digital info as it is for analog
info.
As long as it's digital, anything goes, right? Ham Radio kiddie-porn,
anybody?
Sorry, but I consider anyone who would contemplate undermining the entire
amateur radio service in order to facilitate a desire to get "freebee
Internet access" as being somewhat less than human.
At best, I might think of you as a self-absorbed, antisocial moron.
Especially when you could get exactly what you claim to want on the CB
frequencies, as the European LandLine Lids do.
Gee, I sure would like the ARRL and FCC to wake up and smell the coffee on
this issue. These idiots need to have their dream bubbles burst for them, so
they can move on to CB and hams can go back to doing ham radio.
--
Charles Brabham, N5PVL
N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
http://www.texoma.net/~n5pvl
>.
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:17:42 -0500
From: "Peter O. Brackett" <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: The Aplication Mantra
Charlie:
I am not proposing having the Rules recinded or reduced just for Digital
Networking but for all ham radio activities!
What I am saying is that the current Rules are anachronistic emanating from
the heady days of the rapid growth of commercial AM radio and the growth of
telephony services. Today is a new era. . . Those services no longer need
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