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packet radio.
The American Computer Radio Relay League sounds nice doesn't it.
Hey all of our University EE Departments have now become Departments of
Electrical and Computer Engineering, why not the ARRL?
I'm reminded of the story I heard a few years ago about the fella who simply
had enough and stood up at a combined IEEE Computer Society and Association
of Computing Machinery (ACM) meeting and shouted out, "We didn't have slide
rule engineers, why do we need computer engineers?" Heh, heh.
Well the times are a changin. The new millenium is only a few months away,
and technology and progress waits for no man!
If we don't find a way to use all of that huge bandwidth allocated to us
we'll be left in the dust.
Regards,
Peter AB4BC
Hank Oredson <horedson@att.net> wrote in message
news:7s9euq$e7t$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net...
>
> Peter O. Brackett <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:7s934o$lml@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com...
> > Charlie:
> >
> > Do you think the ARRL Field Organization is up to this?
> >
> > i.e. new appointments, instead of ORS, you have ONO (Official Node
> > Operator), etc. . .
>
> This has been proposed many many times since 1984 with pretty
> much the same result: nothing. Same result when ARRL was asked
> to help standardize things like addresses and routing designators
> within the digital network. In fact, the QST column about "digital
> stuff" is now pretty much only about "how to use the internet."
>
> Ball dropped a long time ago, already done bouncing and has
> rolled off the court.
>
> --
>
> ... Hank
>
> http://horedson.home.att.net
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:24:40 +1700
From: k2ul <ostroyNOcfSPAM@att.net>
Subject: My 2 cents on radio/internet/A-types/B-types
[Sorry for starting a new thread, but you guys have so many
other threads open on this subject that I just couldn't keep
track of what I wanted to respond to. Call me Senile, or
whateverÌ¢‰ÂåÏ..]
In a recent bulletin, good ole' Chas defined two types of
hams, A-types who are internet junkies, and B-types, who are
radio junkies. I would propose that there is a 3rd type.
The C-type is interested in having fun. Ham radio is a
sport to them. After all, in many parts of the world, ham
radio is called "Radiosport". Why do you think DX'ing is so
popular?
I wish there were some awards for packeteering. The last
time I posed this question, ol' Chas called me an LLL, for
which I will never forgive him. Nuff sed. Nevertheless, we
tend to denigrate those newbie packeteers who send "CQ for
QSL" bulletins, but aren't they the ones who are really
having fun?
For over thirty years I have been involved in the most basic
form of digital ham radio communications: morse code. I
use it daily. I love it, because it is fun. It is nice to
relax after a grueling business day in the commercial
telecoms wars and forget all about "speed, speed, speed."
That is what the speed freaks' so-called high speed
"digital network" lacks. It is all work and expense, and no
sport.
Here on the the USA East Coast we have been upgrading our
packet network to FlexNet. A lot of this is still at 1200
baud. So what? It is analogous to upgrading sailboat
technology. A sailboat will never compete with an ocean
liner, but so what. That isn't the purpose of sailboating.
There is much room for improvement in 1200 baud digital
networking technology. Upgrading to FlexNet is one example.
1200 baud technology has the advantage of numbers. There
are thousands of those TNCs out there, just waiting to be
turned back on. Try it. Oh, and our bulletin network
doesn't have to put up with quite as much of the insane
garbage as found on usenet newsgroups. The upgrade to
FlexNet was fun, I learned a lot from it, and it didn't cost
me two arms and a leg.
I tried tcp/ip a coupla years ago. I found that the only
use for it was connecting to the internet. Big deal. No
ham-to-ham communications going on. Who needs it? And it
was tooooooo slow, anyway.
To those who are obsessed with higher speed "bleeding edge"
technology, I would say "go for it, but don't expect a
whole lot of hams to follow you." They can do the same
thing better on the internet.
Bottom line, I don't agree that SPEED=DigitalHamRadio. I
believe PersonalEnjoyment=DigitalHamRadio. Digital Ham
Radio is NOT going to survive by becoming an appendage to
the internet. It will have to find it's own special space.
Stop trying to do the same stuff that you can do on the
internet. Forget trying to be an amateur ISP. Find
something to do that you CAN'T do on a landline, or
something that you can do BETTER than on the landline.
That's the answer to the future of digital ham radio.
Remember the 50's, when all that left over surplus WW2 junk
was put to new and BETTER use by the ham radio community?
73, Dan K2UL@K2UL.#SNJ.NJ.USA.NOAM
"Try 1200baud Ì¢‰ÂåÏ Life is too fragile to waste it all in the
fast lane."
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 01:03:40 -0500
From: "Peter O. Brackett" <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: My 2 cents on radio/internet/A-types/B-types
Dan:
Hey man, you'r using tcp/ip right now on this band, and having fun. Heh,
heh.
What I wonder is we hams have to spend $20 per month for dial up Internet
access at speeds up to 50 kbps when we could have it all for free! What do
those ISP's do for their money anyway?
With our own ham operated high speed wireless access network we could
duplicate what they are doing for ham licencees. All we need is a couple of
changes to the Rules to make it workable. Then it would become BIG! Ham
Radio and the Internet in collaboration not fighting each other! What a
concept!
See another post of mine under the Re: the application mantra down the
newsgroup a little ways.
Regards,
Peter AB4BC
...
k2ul <ostroyNOcfSPAM@att.net> wrote in message
news:15f8eaa0.4d9a65d3@usw-ex0108-059.remarq.com...
> [Sorry for starting a new thread, but you guys have so many
> other threads open on this subject that I just couldn't keep
> track of what I wanted to respond to. Call me Senile, or
> whateverÌ¢‰,ÂåÏ..]
>
> In a recent bulletin, good ole' Chas defined two types of
> hams, A-types who are internet junkies, and B-types, who are
> radio junkies. I would propose that there is a 3rd type.
> The C-type is interested in having fun. Ham radio is a
> sport to them. After all, in many parts of the world, ham
> radio is called "Radiosport". Why do you think DX'ing is so
> popular?
>
> I wish there were some awards for packeteering. The last
> time I posed this question, ol' Chas called me an LLL, for
> which I will never forgive him. Nuff sed. Nevertheless, we
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