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loss of one node will not interrupt service, instead only slowing things
down a bit until it can be replaced or repaired. Bulletproof your network.

And so on...

How about a "maintenance coordinator", who ships off the replacements to
where they need to be and assists the node-ops with technical questions over
the phone or email?

Let's get serious!

--

73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
http://www.texoma.net/~n5pvl





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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:07:53 -0500
From: "Peter O. Brackett" <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Let's Get Serious!

Charlie:

Do you think the ARRL Field Organization is up to this?

i.e. new appointments, instead of ORS, you have ONO (Official Node
Operator), etc. . .

    Peter  AB4BC

Charles Brabham <n5pvl@texoma.net> wrote in message
news:7s89d4$1uok@enews3.newsguy.com...
>
> A large-scale packet network is and should be treated as a social entity.
In
> most if not all cases, it is the result of an organized effort by a club
or
> organization in the first place, so this should take no great leap of the
> imagination. The trick is to match up that organization's structure and
> attitudes with it's goals. This needs to be adjusted in all cases I've
seen
> here in the US, as these organizations are usually patterned after the
> familiar repeater organizations hams have had going for quite some time,
and
> that model is not really up to the task.
>
> Ask any packet networker who's been at it a while, and he will tell you
> tales of burnout that would re-curl your short hairs.  A few key people do
> all the work, and everybody else is just along for the ride.
> That's great, if you are only planning on putting up a few repeaters, but
I
> believe it is universally recognized that it doesn't work for very long
with
> a large-scale digital network. Once the initial growth spurt peters out,
> things start going to the dogs.
>
> Clearly, a different way of doing things needs to be looked into.
>
> It's my feeling that there is a need to work on a model for setting up and
> staffing an organization dedicated to building, developing and maintaining
a
> large-scale digital ham radio network. What specialized jobs besides "HF
> coordinator" might be needed in order for the network to function as
> efficiently, effectively and smoothly as possible?
>
> One function that is regularly overlooked is a Funding Czar. Most ham
> organizations get along just fine by collecting reasonable dues or maybe
> having an occasional event such as a Ham-Fest in order to put a little
> something in the kitty. A club that intends to run and maintain a
> large-scale ham digital net needs to take funding a little more seriously
> than that. Setting up a small cluster of local repeaters and running an
> digital RF
> network with a 600 mile footprint are two entirely different things. We
need
> to recognize that fact and act accordingly.
>
> A funding Czar's main job would be to oversee the operation of a
non-profit
> organization. As with all non-profit organizations, it's main purpose
would
> be to generate funding and materials in order to perform a public service.
> (emergency communications and scientific research, in this case) For this
> reason, a professional should be hired and told that he will be generating
> his own salary. Work out a legal and satisfactory cut, familiarize him
with
> your goals, and turn him loose.
>
> There are numerous ways for non-profits to generate funds, including
> accepting donations of radio equipment and even towers from local
> corporations and government agencies that are upgrading to new equipment.
> You get a stack of UHF Micors and rolls of used but good heliax, they get
a
> tax write-off for the market value of the equipment without having to
market
> it. Sell it all to your in-house networkers at a bargain price, or to
other
> hams at the regular market price.
>
> Why not pay a few folks to clean up, recrystal and calibrate that stack of
> rigs, each matched up with a modem or TNC for true "plug 'n play" medium
to
> high speed networking that can be done without a service monitor? Doing
this
> solves the "expert burnout" problem quite handily, and puts you in a good
> position to have ready spares on hand for rapid repair of a node that
> develops trouble. Just jerk out the whole setup and replace it with a new,
> perfectly calibrated one and put the malfunctioning modem/radio pair in
the
> junk pile for parts or possible repair. An appliance operator job. No
> burnout.
>
> Since you can now afford to; Build parallel, redundant links so that the
> loss of one node will not interrupt service, instead only slowing things
> down a bit until it can be replaced or repaired. Bulletproof your network.
>
> And so on...
>
> How about a "maintenance coordinator", who ships off the replacements to
> where they need to be and assists the node-ops with technical questions
over
> the phone or email?
>
> Let's get serious!
>
> --
>
> 73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
> N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
> http://www.texoma.net/~n5pvl
>
>
>
>
>


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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:26:59 -0500
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net>
Subject: Let's Get Serious!

Peter O. Brackett <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:7s934o$lml@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com...
Charles:
>
> Do you think the ARRL Field Organization is up to this?

I don't think they would touch it with a ten-foot pole, and rightly so. It's
intended for groups of hams who are building and operating a large-scale
network. I don't think the ARRL is really interested in doing that. That's
not what they do.

--
73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
http://www.texoma.net/~n5pvl



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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:30:14 -0700
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: Let's Get Serious!

Peter O. Brackett <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:7s934o$lml@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com...
> Charlie:
>
> Do you think the ARRL Field Organization is up to this?
>
> i.e. new appointments, instead of ORS, you have ONO (Official Node
> Operator), etc. . .

This has been proposed many many times since 1984 with pretty
much the same result: nothing. Same result when ARRL was asked
to  help standardize things like addresses and routing designators
within the digital network. In fact, the QST column about "digital
stuff" is now pretty much only about "how to use the internet."

Ball dropped a long time ago, already done bouncing and has
rolled off the court.

--

   ...  Hank

http://horedson.home.att.net



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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 01:29:37 -0500
From: "Peter O. Brackett" <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Let's Get Serious!

Hank:

Well it all depends upon people!  Organizations do nothing but preserve the
status quo.  We need a "champion" at ARRL.

Ham packet radio needs a guy like ole George Hart W1NJM at ARRL to save


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