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> The more we get away from a network that widely supports IP, the less
> interesting applications are possible. So I just use the Internet
instead.
Uh oh! Here goes the "applications mantra" again! I thought we had laid
that one to rest.
>
> Packet radio is a dead end anyway.
There's an "A" attitude if I ever saw one! Attitudes like this are a dead
give-away.
Anybody want to venture a guess why these guys are such losers within the
packet radio community?
> Even with those "high performance
> full duplex links" that operate at a blazing 9600 (or even 19200 or 38400)
> bps, the network is slow compared to Internet.
Good thing that Ham Radio is about radio, and not about high-speed Internet
communications, isn't it?
Let me be one of the first to invite you to take a hike, Rob, if you find
that Ham Radio is just not good enough for you.
With your attitude (A) you are not good enough for Ham Radio either, so the
solution is obvious.
We'll keep our fingers crossed about your local network upgrading to FlexNet
real soon. Is there a place I can mail a donation?
--
73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
http://www.texoma.net/~n5pvl
>.
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Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 06:42:30 -0500
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net>
Subject: FullDup RF links, anyone?
James Jefferson <jjeffers@deskmedia.com> wrote in message
news:37E1A455.2E05@deskmedia.com...
..
>
> Perhaps your best bet is to get some cheap amateur HT's to play around
> with it. I
> noticed that Jun's has ADI AT-400HP (70cm) HT's without batteries for
> $120.
That's some great advice, James! I'll most certainly look into that.
Thanks!
--
73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
http://www.texoma.net/~n5pvl
>.
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Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 09:53:29 -0500
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net>
Subject: FullDup RF links, anyone?
George T. Baker <w5yr@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:37E27426.7BAD150@swbell.net...
>
> What do you *DO* with the networks?
Here's a listing of what a little over 1200 hams recently found to *DO* with
the networks, all in the last week or so:
By Message areas:
MISC,576 ALL,149 SALE,51 WANT, 45 TRADE,5 LLL,0 HELP,36 SWL,10
COMPUTER,17 SATELLITE,74 NETWORK,11 DEBATE,6 DX,104 TECH,6 RIGS,39
BBS,9 CQ,69 RECIPE,0 FLEXNET,3 HTML,3
By Individual Message Categories:
"JOTA",1 0N4LDF,1 12M,1 3D2WC,1 50MHZ,2 7TODOS,12
9K6,1 ADVERT,6 AEA,1 AERIAL,1 AGW,5 AGWPE,2
ALINCO,2 ALL,149 ALLE,2 AMIGA,2 AMSAT,8 ANTEN,1
ANTENN,1 ASTRO,1 ATARI,1 ATV,1 AWARD,2 BAYCOM,10
BBS,2 BILDER,1 BOATS,2 BPQ,6 CAR,2 CASIO,1
CLOVER,1 COMPUT,2 CONTES,2 CQ,69 CQDX,1 DAYS,1
DEAD?,1 DEBATE,6 DIGI,1 DIPLOM,5 DIVERS,3 DL0UM,1
DL5ANT,1 DL8YBU,1 DOS,1 DPTNT,2 DSC,1 DUTCH,1
DX,46 DXC,2 DXCC,4 DXINFO,1 DXNEWS,14 EMAIL,1
EMCOMM,2 ESPERA,2 EVENTS,1 F1,1 FADA,1 FAX,1
FBB,5 FK8,1 FLA,1 FLEX,1 FLEXNE,2 FLOHMA,9
FLYING,1 FRIEND,1 FUNKWX,16 GPS,2 GSM,3 HA3HP,1
HAM,1 HELP,29 HI8R,1 HICKOK,1 HTML,3 HTMLIB,1
HUMOR,33 HUMOUR,10 IARU,2 IBM,3 ICOM,18 INET,5
INFO,7 INSECT,1 INTERN,1 INTNET,1 INTRUD,12 IOTA,6
IPARC,1 IRISH,1 ISLAND,4 ITALIA,1 JASTA,29 JNOS,1
JOTA,1 KAM,2 KAMHLP,1 KENWOO,7 KEP,6 KEPLER,10
KEPS,22 KWD,1 KWOOD,1 LIGHTS,2 LINEAR,1 LINUX,7
LOGGER,1 MAC,1 MBO,1 MIR,11 MIRFAN,3 MM,1
MODS,2 MORSE,1 MSYS,2 N7JB0,1 NASA,2 NAVNET,5
NEED,3 NEWS,3 NEXUS,1 NODES,1 NOKIA,1 NOVICE,1
PA3BAH,1 PACCOM,1 PACKET,5 PACSAT,1 PACTOR,14 PC,1
PIC,20 PIX,1 PK232,3 PROG,4 PROP,1 PROPAG,1
PSK,5 PSK-31,1 PSK31,6 QRP,1 QSL,16 QSLDX,1
QSLINF,2 QST,9 RAFARS,2 RECH,1 REDBBS,9 REGEN,1
RELAIS,1 RNARS,2 ROUTE,2 RSARS,7 RUGBY,1 SALE,51
SALLY,1 SAREX,7 SAT,27 SCDX,5 SCHOOL,2 SCI,1
SCOUT,1 SCOUTS,5 SETI,3 SIX,10 SMTP,1 SOAP,4
SOLAR,3 SOPRON,1 SPCL,1 SSTV,3 STAMPS,1 STEAM,2
SUCHE,3 SUN,1 SUNSAT,11 SWAP,3 SWL,10 SYSOP,9
T,1 TAPR,1 TAX,1 TCP/IP,2 TCPIP,2 TECH,2
TECHNI,6 TELNET,7 TELTEX,1 TENTEN,1 TEST,2 TNC,1
TONNA,1 TOUS,1 TRADE,2 TRWIN,2 TSTH,1 TSTHWI,1
TUTTI,5 UFO,26 UNIX, 4 USBBS,1 USERS,2 VB,2
VHF,3 VIDEO,2 VIRUS,6 VK3PRA,1 WAB,4 WANT,28
WANTED,14 WEAKSI,1 WEB,1 WEBDES,1 WEIRDO,3 WFT,1
WFTHOS,1 WINDOW,1 WINNET,1 WINPAC,13 WOBGON,2 WSTNET,4
WX,14 WXSAT,1 Y2K,1 YAESU,12 YB-YC,1 YL,12
Z,3
Of course these Packet messages are just the tip of the iceberg... Lots of
APRS activity, keyboard QSO's, Chatting, and even tcpip activity, all going
on all the time.
If you can't figure out what to *DO* with a network, you should regard that
lack as a personal problem... Plenty of other folks are having no trouble
figuring it out at all.
--
73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
http://www.texoma.net/~n5pvl
>.
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Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:38:26 -0500
From: "George T. Baker" <w5yr@swbell.net>
Subject: FullDup RF links, anyone?
Interesting, Charles, and thank you for putting this together for me, but
what was the network aspect of the activity?
I seem to recall back in the 80's that the local BBS's in the Dallas area
would log similar activity, though not in the quantities you report. What
role did having the network available play in either allowing or exciting
this activity? What locations did the network(s) link up? How does this
level of activity compare with similar TexNet stats for the same time
period? What were the prevailing network protocols? What percentage of
the links were "pure radio?"
Look, Charles, let's clear up one thing right up front: regardless of
your personal biases and opinions, which you seem willing to expound
freely, there is no way that I can be derided as either a Type A or a
Landline Lid. I work RADIO, I love RADIO and I have for a long, long
time. I was one of the very first packet operators and stations in the
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