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Internet.
It would at least have been an option.
You can look at this any way you want to, but that won't change the facts:
The A types have pretty well called the shots here in the US for the last
decade. The B types got their way in Europe.
Want to take a wild guess at which group has accomplished more, and has
something to be proud to show?
Want to guess which group had everything go to hell on their watch, having
managed to turn the most extensive and advanced packet net around into a
laughingstock in less than ten short years, and almost destroy the very
manufacturers who made their equipment by decimating the national market
with their policies, attitudes and goals??
> If I have other things to do with my life that I consider of greater value
> to me, why should I choose "slow" data radio, of any flavor, after my
> experience with packet wars and the bs politics of majority mediocrity?
Well if Ham Radio is not good enough for you, buddy, why don't you do the
proper thing and take a hike?
This discussion is for people interested in communicating by Ham Radio.
There are other newsgroups for people who are still fascinated by the
Internet.
> Life is too short. I am "gung ho" for the concept of a
> national/regional/local "high speed?" network, but except for a few high
> tech regions of the US, with sufficiently motivated techies to do it for
> there own satisfaction and the use by others, the choices of most folk I
> have spoken to are on to other things; and they aint looking back except
to
> swap lies over an 807.
You don't know anyone who wants to use radio... I'm not surprised, with the
attitudes you are displaying here. What rational Ham would want to associate
with you?
Again, maybe you've wandered into a discussion you are not really suited
for.
>
> For the average Joe Ham, there is no real desire or reason for an rf data
> network.
Tell that to the thousands of Hams who use the BBS system here in the US
despite the best efforts of the A folks... Then tell it to the thousands
more who do the same thing a lot better in Europe because they never had an
A problem in the first place.
For several years now, a number of FlexNet nodes in Europe have been moving
peak loads of better than 10 MB of data an hour. This represents not only a
level of technical achievement unheard-of in the USA, but also a vital and
enthusiastic packet community who obviously DO enjoy communicating via
packet radio.
Sorry, but you are not going to convince me that buying packet equipment for
use with the high-speed net in Europe is cheaper than simple Internet
access. It's more expensive to get Internet access there, but not THAT much
more expensive. Those hams use the packet net because that's what they - as
hams - want to do and enjoy.
Making global judgments based on experiences gained within an isolated,
insulated clique of geeks would go far in explaining your outlook. - Been
hanging out with the A crowd lately?
>Nothing you can offer can compete with the landline internet that
> has sucked up most motivated amateur radio rf networking talent and the
> appliance operators that would have to support such a national rf network.
Yes, exactly. This is why it's utterly moronic to pursue the goal of melding
the Internet and Packet radio together. You guarantee failure for yourself,
and a future that holds nothing more than a promise than to be a
bloodsucking parasite, hanging off of the Internet's butt.
This may be hard for you to follow or understand, but there are a
significant number of Hams who got into Ham Radio in order to use radio, not
for cheesy, third-rate Internet access for "free". (After buying hundreds
of dollars worth of equipment) These persons have no interest whatsoever in
hanging off of the Internet's butt, instead being interested in an
independent, all-ham-radio digital net that they can be proud to be part of.
A network built on Ham Radio, by Hams.
It doesn't surprise me that you would insist that nobody wants a packet net.
In your little world, you are probably completely right on that score.
> You can rail against "progress" and as Peter referred to, the consequence
> of economical and abundant plug and play solutions with the reliable
> connectivity that is available to most due to the economics of scale and
> competition. I, too, mourn the loss of our archaic packet network, but
> given the current choices, the scenario of a national high/slow speed rf
> network is a pipe dream.
Yes, that's what the world looks like to you A types... Thanks, but no
thanks! I found out a long time ago what "can't" gets accomplished, in
comparison to what "can" will do.
Silly of me I suppose, but I have faith not just in my fellow man, but also
in my fellow hams. Sorry you do not see things that way, but I understand
that a crappy attitude is a vital part of the A way of doing things, so I
won't try to change you or convince you to do otherwise.
Poor thing.
--
Charles Brabham, N5PVL
N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
http://www.texoma.net/~n5pvl
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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:57:40 -0400
From: "tom" <tsokol@injersey.com>
Subject: SSTV with a PC
I just acquired an old MFJ-1214 computer interface. It's designed for
FAX/RTTY/CW but I wonder if it could be configured to receive HF SSTV
pictures?
I have tried the shareware SoundBlaster programs but have not had any
success. I am not interested in transmitting at this point, just viewing.
The MFJ interface appears to provide the correct signals, but what software
can I use to receive SSTV???
Tom
N2LDE
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Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:04:45 +0200
From: John Miller <johnm@worldtel.com>
Subject: YOU AND YOUR BOSS
YOU AND YOUR BOSS
When you take a long time, you're slow.
When your boss takes a long time, he's thorough.
When you don't do it, you're lazy.
When your boss doesn't do it, he's too busy.
When you make a mistake, you're an idiot.
When your boss makes a mistake, he's only human
When doing something without being told, you're overstepping your =
authority.
When your boss does the same thing, that's initiative.
When you take a stand, you're being bullheaded.
When your boss does it, he's being firm.
When you overlooked a rule of etiquette, you're being rude.
When your boss skips a few rules, he's being original.
When you please your boss, you're arse-creeping.
When your boss please his boss, he's being co-operative.
When you're out of the office, you're wandering around.
When your boss is out of the office, he's on business.
When you're on a day off sick, you're always sick.
When your boss is a day off sick, he must be very ill.
When you apply for leave, you must be going for an interview.
When your boss applies for leave, it 's because he's overworked.
When you send jokes, it's junk mail!
When your boss sends jokes it's humour!
[Source: http://www.interbulletin.com]
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